Swarovski TDS Reticle?

Discussion in 'Long Range Scopes and Other Optics' started by DocGlenn, Jan 5, 2006.

  1. DocGlenn

    DocGlenn Well-Known Member

    Nov 23, 2005
    Have anyone used this reticle for any long range shooting or hunting? If so how did it do. I'm looking for a light scope for my "sheep rifle" (.300 wsm Sako Finnlight) and this seems to be the lightest scope I can find with BDC. Would the Swaro be better than a Leupold with a custom reticle or BDC turrent? I'd like to be able to shoot to 600 yds if I had to. What do you guys think?
  2. Brown Dog

    Brown Dog Writers Guild

    Sep 26, 2003
    Try a search on 'TDS'...you'll find plenty on this /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

    ...just did some scratchpad maths...the First Focal Plain TDS reticles are quite thick......a FFP TDS crosshair subtends 17mm at 100m ...so at 600yds; the crosshairs would be subtending approx 3.6inches.....too much target 'obscuration' for some.

    You'll find more with a search!

  3. BountyHunter

    BountyHunter Writers Guild

    Jun 13, 2007
    I just set up a M70 in 300 Hart (300 wthby imp) shooting 180 SSTs at 3200 fps with a 6-18 Swarovski and TDS.

    Center crosshair was at 300 and I think the bottom was at 836. Had a second set of ranges for 12x also.

    Was my brothers gun and he took 3 deer with it this year from 400-650 yards and loved it.

    I like the TDS reticle. I am looking for it in the Kahles right now.

    For a pure carry LR hunting gun, I think it is an extremely good and accurate system and much faster than anything else. All he had to do was reconfirm zero at 300 and it was good to go for what he wanted.

  4. Boman

    Boman Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2002

    I have used the TDS-4 reticle. In fact my Swarovski 4-12x50 is for sale in the classifieds right now. For Big Game the reticle works very well. You just have to shoot at the ranges to confirm the hold/hash marks. Also, if you call Swarovski and give them your FPS and bullet BC they will give you the drop figures as they correspond to your load and then you just match that up to the right drop chart/sticker (they provide) and then shoot to confirm this info and your good to go. This reticle is good to about 600-700 yds. The reason I'm selling mine is I want to shoot varmints and shoot at longer ranges and using a scope to dial in range would be more precise. The scopes are very bright, very clear and very light. I'd reccomend going to your local sporting good store and taking one outside at dusk and compare it with some other scopes your looking at.

    Also, The A Line scopes are 1" tubes and they are 2nd Focal plane. The 30mm Euro line is FFP and thats where subtension problems could arise. Just so you know.
  5. DocGlenn

    DocGlenn Well-Known Member

    Nov 23, 2005
    Thanks for the feedback. It's good to hear from people that have actually used the TDS reticle in a hunting situation with success. I'm trying to decide between the Swaro w/ TDS, a leupold with a custom reticle and or custom turrent, and a zeiss conquest with a custom turrent. Any "real world" feed back that I can get will help me make up my mind (or it could confuse me more /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif). Anyway thanks again!
  6. bcraft1111

    bcraft1111 Well-Known Member

    Jan 11, 2005
    I put one on a GA 300 wsm Non-Typical and think it makes a great setup. I got a 3X12X50 Tds so changing magnification does not change my settings I like it that way. When I was seting up my scope I placed a target a 100 yards and found that the distance between the lines were as follows:

    First Line Dead On
    Second Line 2 inch drop 2 moa
    Third Line 5 inch drop 5 moa
    Fourth Line 8 inch drop 8 moa
    Fifth Line 11 inch drop 11 moa

    I know that the moa is not exactly correct but this is what I worked up in a hury and these are rough estimates.

    Work this into your 300 wsm and I think you should be able to get 600 yards no problem.

    Mine worked out to be

    first line dead on at 200
    second line 300
    third line 450
    Fourth line 550
    fifth line 650

    I shot it out to 300 and it is on the money, and I know this in not a long shot but I did use the third line on a Coyete at 460 and rolled him.

    I like the scope so much /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gifI put one on my 45-70 and worked out a drop chart using the MOA I posted above,

    and like it was said earlier Go to the range and check these drops this is just what I came up with and have not tried them at 550 and 650 at this time.

    Hope this helps.
  7. RDM416

    RDM416 Well-Known Member

    Jan 31, 2005

    I have two Swarovski's with the TDS. A 4x-16x and 6x-24x both PH 30mm tube.

    I have used the 4-16 for several years and the 6-24 for about a year. I like the TDS retical and agree with the pevious post that it is quick and simple. It has enough lines to be effective at moderate ranges (to 700yds or so)but not so many as be confusing in a hunting situation. I also agree that it is best used for big game, rather than varmint hunting for the reasons given.

    I used my 6-24 last August on a Dall sheep hunt in Alaska. It was mounted to a 338RUM by HS Precision. I used it to take a ram at 503 yards. Following is how the retical works with the 338 and the load I was shooting on that hunt.

    100yards = +3" (main crosshair)
    200yards = +3.5" (main crosshair)
    300yards = -1" (main crosshair)
    400yards = -4" (first line down)
    500yards = +1" (second line down)
    600yards = +4" (third line down)
    700yards = +8" (fourth line down)

    In my experience it has been impossible to get the line to fall exactly on one hundred yard increments. I simply shoot it to establish all the yardages and how much +/- I may be at a given range. I then make up a range card that duplicates the view of the retical with a note to the side of each line with the +/- at each range. This has worked well for me and I have used it to take a lot of game in the 500 yard + range with my longest being 657 yards on an elk.

    I have since gravitated toward Night Force and target turrets to dial up my yardage. Dialing up has the advantage of being more precise, which becomes increasingly important as the range increases.....or the size of the target decreases. The TDS retical does has the advantage of being quick and simple to use, so..........For big game out to 700 yards, it is great, for longer ranges or smaller game.....you should think about target turrets and dialing up your elevation.
  8. DocGlenn

    DocGlenn Well-Known Member

    Nov 23, 2005
    Great info. Thanks.