suggestions for shells

Discussion in 'Waterfowl Hunting' started by D.Camilleri, Dec 24, 2009.

  1. D.Camilleri

    D.Camilleri Well-Known Member

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    I have a new mossberg 935 on order and it should be here in a couple of days, so with a little more than a month to go to shoot waterfowl, I am looking for some suggestions on shells to buy. I had my daughter pick me up some estate 3 1/2's at sportsmans warehouse in 2's and 4's, but they are only 1 3/8 oz loads. These were the only 3 1/2's that they had left on the shelf! I am planning on using 3" for the majority of shots with some 3 1/2's for geese or maybe try some of these fast shooting lighter 3 1/2 loads. I am new to this steel stuff, because I quit hunting waterfowl 20 years ago and am just getting started again. Give me some suggestions.
     
  2. Buffalobob

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    Take a knife and cut the shells completely around about 2/3 the way up. Dump the steel in the recycle bin and the powder on the rose bushes. Then go down and buy some Hevi-shot.

    Per shell, the Hevi-shot is more expensive but at the end of the day when you calculate dead geese per shell it is cheaper.

    As far as duck go you are on your own as I seldom hunt ducks.
     

  3. ROBSTER

    ROBSTER Well-Known Member

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    +1
    I LOVE HEVI SHOTgun)
     
  4. D.Camilleri

    D.Camilleri Well-Known Member

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    call me cheap, but I like to hear the gun go bang when it comes to waterfowl, it's not like elk, where I actually like the taste!
     
  5. JARHEAD1371

    JARHEAD1371 Well-Known Member

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    My wife and I were shooting ducks out near Riverton, WY about 2 weeks ago and we were smashing ducks with 3" #3 Blackcloud. I was using my SBE and she was shooting her new Beretta AL391. The Blackcloud didn't pattern very well with factory chokes but patterned great with the Blackcloud chokes. We had the mid-range chokes and were shooting ducks on a river over decoys. I folded a fat drake mallard at 47 yards and saw that he was hit with only one pellet square in the breast. He is in the freezer destined to hang from the ceiling as if he is gonna land on your head, with the others. Only one pellet hit him because of my lead distance, not the cloke or load. If you are looking at an affordable alternative to Hevi Shot, check out Blackcloud.
     
  6. D.Camilleri

    D.Camilleri Well-Known Member

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    Well, I got to visit the cabella's store in Billings MT yesterday as well as several other sporting goods stores and stocked up on several different brands of steel shot. Now I just need for the gun to show up, maybe Monday and then I can go pattern it. I did find some good deals on some close out 3 inch remington nitro steel in 1's for 10.50 a box.
     
  7. Cigar

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    take your new bb-gun to range and pattern it with different shells... You will find that your gun will pattern better with one shell over another.. Price has nothing to do with this..

    Example; My A-5 hates Hevi-shot.. It patterns like an old boot...

    Likes faststeel #2 out of a mod choke.. Hates it out of an open choke..

    Your shotgun will give you your answers..
     
  8. winmag

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    Well if this doesnt start out like the .300win vs .300wby debate!

    Both sides (heavy shot vs standard) are right. I take this years end of the season hunting as a personal challange to adjust my decoy/and calling technique to bring em in close enough to use affordable ammo! As we all know calling in late season birds is extremely difficult(hence the heavy shot for extended range), but nesisity being the mother of invention, I might learn something about my own calling/decoying techniques and be able to adjust. Im too poor to buy 10 shells when i can get 25 for the same price this year.

    Normally Ill have a box or two of heavy shot on hand incase the ducks/geese seem to be hanging up just on the edge of being in range for the days hunt. Its very effective and sometimes even worth the price. Adjusting for the extra 10 to 15 yards as well as the difference in speed of the shot at that range can get EXPENSIVE! If you decide to switch in the middle of your hunt, stick with it and DONT switch back for that hunt. Your lead and internal ''in range'' beacon get way out of whack.

    Bottom line IMHO, you need both on hand. Depending on what the days hunt brings /high winds /call shy birds etc. both the cheap ammo and rediculous priced ammo are great tools. To choose 1 over the other permanently, shortens the tools at hand. ex. why shoot heavy shot if your birds are bombing into your deeks on a calm day? If youve got that much $ go ahead i guess, but id rather save $ so i could afford to get out there 1 more day.

    Here in the northwest conditions change multiple times daily so youve gotta be able to adjust or you go home. I personally use 3" #2's for ducks in my auto-loader,and 3"#1's pattern better in my pump.(& im talkin Rem sportsmans high speed steel 1400 fps 1 1/4 oz loads) Cheap, but effective! For geese I use 3 1/2" BB or T's. As far as heavy shot goes, heavy #2's are effective on ducks and close in geese. pick a bigger load that patterns well out of your gun for longer range goose whackin. Youll be happy to have both in your ''tool box''. Good hunting winmag
     
  9. TCKev

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    As mentioned in your other post speed kill's with steel. I love to hunt duck's and did a bunch of research on steel shot and hear's what I found. If your not going at least 1450fps your going to slow. I reloaded for awhile at 1565fps with a #2 and bb duplex load killed em graveyard dead out to 45yd's. The industry finally figured it out and you can buy some super steel shot off the shelf. I ended up shooting Federal in the reddish box #2's at 1550fps, Wal-Mart usually had them at the begining of the season. Don't let weight fool you with the 3.5" shell's it's not humanly possibly tell the differance in 1 1/8 and 1 3/8 oz's of shot your only talking a couple of piece's of shot and the price is so much more for so little. Mack's Prarrie Wing's sell's Kent that does all the above for a great price, it's what my little brother shot. All the new non toxic's are great but I just can't justify spending that much more over the right kinda steel that will get the job done.
     
  10. Troutslayer

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    I shoot about 2 cases a year at ducks and geese. I don't think the benefits of heavi-steel justify the cost. I bought a case of it this year, only because I got it at Joe's in Spokane in the final days of their going out of business sale (for $7 a box!!). It pummels birds, but not much more so than regular steel. If you are doing your job getting the ducks in close, anything that patterns well with the choke you are using is sufficient. I think that stuff appeals to the skybusting crowd.

    I've probably killed more ducks with Remington 3" #4 than anything else. It's fast and pretty cheap.

    If you cover a duck good at 20 yards or less with a lot of pellets going really fast you do get to see it tumble pretty hard, but then you've got a duck that you might not want to eat.
     
  11. chuckmaster

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    Duck hunting in up state New York is nothing like what you guys are talking about. We hunt on the rivers and flooded timber. You need to be a good caller and have a good size spread of decoys, 2-3 dozen decoys, and be on your toes.

    I have always been partial to Winchester 3" # 3's. They are fast enough and still have enough knock down power to hit a duck at 30 yds. I even use them on an occasional goose if they are right on me.

    I have never been a fan of 3 1/2" shells or 10 ga. If I were hunting geese all the time then I would go with a 10 ga and reload my shells to safe some money.
     
  12. MN SuperMag

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    I shoot 3 1/2 blackcloud 4s at ducks all season. Might be a bit expensive but it drops ducks on the first shot and at some pretty surprising ranges!
     
  13. david smart

    david smart New Member

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    The best shells i have shot in years are the new Hypersonic shells by Rem. these shells travel at 1700fps. i hunt rice fields in northern Louisiana and flooded timber in southern Arkansas. i use the 3 1/2 number 4. these shells have increase my kills to about 75%. they are $24 a box. i can not tell you how impressed i am with them.
     
  14. bsc4444

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    Since you are new to the steel shot game...one word SPEED KILLS. Go pattern your gun with different loads and CHOKES, don't be affraid to try modified or improved modified. I shoot 90 % of the time Federal Speed-Shok 1 1/4 oz. of 3's with imp. mod choke.I tried the new Remington HyperSonic 1700 fps. 1 1/4 of 2's and shot them as a 3rd shot or late season when they go a little tougher to decoy. The Remington load for what I see is tough to beat. They are bringing out a 20 and 10 guage load this year.

    Good luck,
    Brad