stepping up long range

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by stlewis, Aug 10, 2011.

  1. stlewis

    stlewis New Member

    Messages:
    4
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2011
    My name is Steve and I am an avid big game hunter. This year I have decided to step up my game and get serious on long range capabilities. As I am located in Nevada often times we find ourselves with cross canyon shots for Elk and Dear at 400-800 yards. I own a Browning WSM 300, a Leupold VX3 4.5x14x40 CDS and am having a break put on gun to reduce recoil.

    To get the Leupold CDS configured I am looking for a good "off-the-shelf" round capable of reaching 400 - 800 yards that can be used against deer and elk. Do you have any suggestions for me on ammo and/or things to consider to step up my long range capability?

    Thanks a lot!

    Steve
     
  2. matt_3479

    matt_3479 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    886
    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    I am in the exact same boat as you. i just started getting into the long range shooting and hunting game. i want to be able to take it to the next level as well (400-800 yards). I also have a browning a-bolt 300. wsm but i just topped it off with Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50mm FFP sitting on some burris XTR and EGW 20 moa base. That was my major start to the long range business.

    i know the browning's aren't the greatest long range gun but i know they will do to atleast 600 yards and im hoping to the 800 yards mark.

    As for bullets, my thought would be the Federal premium 180 grain nosler accubonds.
     

  3. kcebcj

    kcebcj Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,215
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2008
    When you get beyond 400 yards I can't see a factory load performing well enough. Now I'm not saying that a Fedral Premium 180gr Nosler Accubond won't perform well out there but will it in your rifle? You have to shoot within 1 MOA or better consistently in my opinion to shoot at game at those ranges and that's why most everyone who shoots to those distances while hunting reload.

    Of course you and your rifle have to be tuned up and capable at those long ranges and in my opinion it only works well with a good load worked up in that rifle and proven at the longest range at which your capable.
     
  4. MHO

    MHO Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    600
    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2010
    Im with kcebcj, I dont see a factory load performing for you consistently at those ranges. Do you know of anyone that might possibly reload for you? Or it might be time to start learning. Hope everything works out and good luck.
     
  5. pressman

    pressman Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    267
    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2008
    my suggestion is get the best shooting factory hunting load. and then test it a few time under different conditions at 600- 800 yards. my guess is that you will start reloading but you never know until you pull the trigger. just because a load shoots great at 100-200 does not mean it will shoot great at the 600yd and especially at 800 yards.
     
  6. stlewis

    stlewis New Member

    Messages:
    4
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2011
    Gents - great info! I have thought about reloading but that will be phase 2 in "stepping up long range". This year I want to get rifle and optics situatated and go after the basics; I have shot federal premium for years and unless otherwise informed will used federal factory loads this year as a starting point.

    Thanks again!

    Steve
     
  7. WildRose

    WildRose Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    8,210
    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2011
    300 Winchester Short Magnum

    I'd suggest getting one box each of the 180's Hornday Interlock, Horady SST, and Nosler Accubonds and see what works best in your rifle.

    If you find a load that it really likes at 300, then move on out to 600. If you can maintain sub MOA at those ranges you have a load that will work fine.

    It's going to take a good bit of practice and good note taking as to conditions and results to become proficient though at ranges beyond 600. Out that far it's just about marksmanship, beyond 600yds though life gets pretty complicated.
     
  8. Outlaw6.0

    Outlaw6.0 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,006
    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2010
    If you're really set on factory ammo for now, i'd suggest the HSM Extended Range Ammunition, most (if not all) are loaded wit Bergers, which have the capability of offering better accuracy at extended ranges. The few review i've read have been fairly promising, I would tend to thing they would be the most accurate "way out there", unfortunately you'll never know until you try them.

    The Hunting Shack Ammunition
     
  9. liltank

    liltank Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,158
    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2008
    Got to be honest with ya, anything in the 180 bonded bullet group is going to work very well to 800yds. The bigger problem is accuracy. I'll agree with Federal premium, and the Winchester 180 Ballistic tip will work rather well also. RWS has a high penetration round on sale that is a 184grn bullet. The BC isn't great, but have a sneak'in suspicion it will be deadly. Midway USA has the RWS on sale. They are great prices and will give you outstanding brass to reload with.

    Tank
     
  10. dig

    dig Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    662
    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2010
    2nd on the HSM ammunition. I normally start any new rifle with a box before starting load development. They are loaded with Berger's (normally a little lighter than I prefer) but perform very well and are actually less costs than other premium rounds. HSM is great to work with. I believe the load the GunWorks product.
     
  11. Firecat

    Firecat Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    406
    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    You could also look into the bullets that Gunwerks sells. This is what they offer for their turnkey systems and are being shot out to 1000 yards regularly. That being said I think they are probably just the HSM mentioned above, wrapped in Gunwerks packaging. Here's the Link.

    Gunwerks - Ammunition
     
  12. ATH

    ATH Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    851
    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2003
    IMHO you're going about it backwards. If you're going to practice enough to shoot game at 600-800 yds, you will be able to actually save money by buying basic (but quality) reloading equipment and rolling your own, vs buying premium ammo at approximately $3/shell. Getting the gun squared away doesn't mean diddly if your ammo won't back it up.

    If you want to stick with factory, try every reasonable round and go with what shoots best in your individual rifle. But at that range, going to handloading is really a necessity. While you can go to extremes with it, learning what you need to for what you want to do is pretty basic.