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<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 337414" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>Tayhot,</p><p> </p><p>I agree with you on desired bullet performce for the most part, depending on the game and hunting situation. There is something to be said for colateral damage caused by bullets partialy framenting. For larger and more dangerous game, a bullet that holds together and penetrates farther is definitely preferred. That being said, pretty much all the bullets available for hunting will get the job done 95% of the time on all NA big game, except maybe the big bears of Alaska. They do it in different ways. I prefer controlled expansion, and some bullet mass loss is acceptable, because it will cause colateral damage.</p><p> </p><p>In the monometals, the GS bullets are superior, but thay are also spendy. I like the E-Tips better than the Barnes because they have a better BC, they are made from a tougher guilded metal and their poly tips seem to be more rugged. I also like their expansion characteristics better.</p><p> </p><p>On the subject of BC and honesty, IMO, Berger leads the pack. If you have been reading any of these other threads, you will see that there are numerous drag models used to measure BC. The G1 is a very poor model to measure boattail low drag bullets. However, Barnes and the other bullet manufactureres refuse, let me repeat... refuse to convert to the more appropriate models because the G1 is a "bigger" number and sells better. So I would suggest that you go back and chat with John or Tye and ask them why they are using the G1 BCs and not the G7 or G5?</p><p> </p><p>Also, after reading the article Barnes put out to discredit the Berger bullets, my respect for Barnes all but vanished. I think it was a low handed marketing attack filled with a lot of misinformation. To suggest that any Barnes bullet is suitable for hunting use out to 1000 yds in the cartridges they mentioned is absurd. Unfortunately, most of the hunting public is ignorant of the technical facts relating to LR shooting and hunting and will buy into that BS. </p><p> </p><p>Finally, I have to really scratch my head when they publish that Barnes bullets out performed Bergers in accuracy tests. Just who performed those tests? I guess the BR shooters just dont get it??? Why are they using Bergers and SMKs in BR and F-class competition and not the Barnes bullets that shoot so much better? It just escapes me. </p><p> </p><p>Again, I say this as a person who prefers a controled expansion bullet. I would only use Bergers as a last resort because I just dont care for explosive type bullets.</p><p> </p><p>So what bullet company is really trying to get honest figures out to the public and what company is trying to sell their product?</p><p> </p><p>Mark</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 337414, member: 11717"] Tayhot, I agree with you on desired bullet performce for the most part, depending on the game and hunting situation. There is something to be said for colateral damage caused by bullets partialy framenting. For larger and more dangerous game, a bullet that holds together and penetrates farther is definitely preferred. That being said, pretty much all the bullets available for hunting will get the job done 95% of the time on all NA big game, except maybe the big bears of Alaska. They do it in different ways. I prefer controlled expansion, and some bullet mass loss is acceptable, because it will cause colateral damage. In the monometals, the GS bullets are superior, but thay are also spendy. I like the E-Tips better than the Barnes because they have a better BC, they are made from a tougher guilded metal and their poly tips seem to be more rugged. I also like their expansion characteristics better. On the subject of BC and honesty, IMO, Berger leads the pack. If you have been reading any of these other threads, you will see that there are numerous drag models used to measure BC. The G1 is a very poor model to measure boattail low drag bullets. However, Barnes and the other bullet manufactureres refuse, let me repeat... refuse to convert to the more appropriate models because the G1 is a "bigger" number and sells better. So I would suggest that you go back and chat with John or Tye and ask them why they are using the G1 BCs and not the G7 or G5? Also, after reading the article Barnes put out to discredit the Berger bullets, my respect for Barnes all but vanished. I think it was a low handed marketing attack filled with a lot of misinformation. To suggest that any Barnes bullet is suitable for hunting use out to 1000 yds in the cartridges they mentioned is absurd. Unfortunately, most of the hunting public is ignorant of the technical facts relating to LR shooting and hunting and will buy into that BS. Finally, I have to really scratch my head when they publish that Barnes bullets out performed Bergers in accuracy tests. Just who performed those tests? I guess the BR shooters just dont get it??? Why are they using Bergers and SMKs in BR and F-class competition and not the Barnes bullets that shoot so much better? It just escapes me. Again, I say this as a person who prefers a controled expansion bullet. I would only use Bergers as a last resort because I just dont care for explosive type bullets. So what bullet company is really trying to get honest figures out to the public and what company is trying to sell their product? Mark [/QUOTE]
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