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<blockquote data-quote="VLD Pilot" data-source="post: 2047306" data-attributes="member: 103947"><p>No hurt feelings. It's nothing personal. After reading your opinions on the subject, it wouldn't matter what data I provided. It's still wouldn't substantiate the 10mm pistol to be an adequate defense round for bears. I could tell you I shot a 360 lb boar hog in the frontal chest with a 200 grain BB Hardcast bullet where it exited the boar next to his scrotom. No bullet recovery. Several deer with some bullet recovery. One bear (black) at 30 yards with a 155 Corbon DPX and it exited both shoulders. No recovery. All fast effective kills with all animals recovered within 15 yards of being shot. Several other kills as well with similar results. Would that matter to someone that believes revolvers NEVER fail but semi's do. What's the purpose ? I could send pics all day long of revolver failures regardless of user error or pistol failure. Still a failure that could end up in a fatal bear attack. Stove pipes from semi auto's isn't a pistol problem either. It's from poor shooting form or limp wrist syndrome. There's always excuses for failures. Do they really matter ? The fact that one failed is all that matters and they BOTH do. That's been proven hundreds of times. We could argue that semi auto's are used in competition much more than revolvers because of speed of use. Power isn't a factor but speed and accuracy are, that's Point #1 on use for defense. Point #2 Could argue size and packability if the semi auto. Point #3 again could argue the controllability/shootability. Point#4 would be penetration. Even having less bullet weight and diameter, the .40 caliber hardcast bullets penetrate deeper even than the bullets from the pistols with 30-40% more energy and velocity in many cases. Definitely as deep in other cases. These facts still wouldn't change your opinions on the 10mm being an adequate bear defense round. I've read 51 pages of 2-3 members running a bone up the backside of the 10mm users opinions. I'd say giving any further opinions let alone facts on this subject is a waste of time. What I can say that is fact and printed and spoken about in many publications is that there are endless cases where Alaskan and Western State Bear guides have dropped using Big Bore pistols as their defense choice and replaced it with 10mm Glocks. This isn't debatable, it's a plain fact. In the end as I have said, it's a choice. One based on confidence and ability. After talking to a couple buddies that guide in Alaska, my choice is clear, proven and sound. Sounds like yours is as well. Agree to disagree is where that puts us. I don't agree that big wheel guns are inferior but don't believe they are superior. It's up to the user to make that decision for what they prefer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VLD Pilot, post: 2047306, member: 103947"] No hurt feelings. It's nothing personal. After reading your opinions on the subject, it wouldn't matter what data I provided. It's still wouldn't substantiate the 10mm pistol to be an adequate defense round for bears. I could tell you I shot a 360 lb boar hog in the frontal chest with a 200 grain BB Hardcast bullet where it exited the boar next to his scrotom. No bullet recovery. Several deer with some bullet recovery. One bear (black) at 30 yards with a 155 Corbon DPX and it exited both shoulders. No recovery. All fast effective kills with all animals recovered within 15 yards of being shot. Several other kills as well with similar results. Would that matter to someone that believes revolvers NEVER fail but semi's do. What's the purpose ? I could send pics all day long of revolver failures regardless of user error or pistol failure. Still a failure that could end up in a fatal bear attack. Stove pipes from semi auto's isn't a pistol problem either. It's from poor shooting form or limp wrist syndrome. There's always excuses for failures. Do they really matter ? The fact that one failed is all that matters and they BOTH do. That's been proven hundreds of times. We could argue that semi auto's are used in competition much more than revolvers because of speed of use. Power isn't a factor but speed and accuracy are, that's Point #1 on use for defense. Point #2 Could argue size and packability if the semi auto. Point #3 again could argue the controllability/shootability. Point#4 would be penetration. Even having less bullet weight and diameter, the .40 caliber hardcast bullets penetrate deeper even than the bullets from the pistols with 30-40% more energy and velocity in many cases. Definitely as deep in other cases. These facts still wouldn't change your opinions on the 10mm being an adequate bear defense round. I've read 51 pages of 2-3 members running a bone up the backside of the 10mm users opinions. I'd say giving any further opinions let alone facts on this subject is a waste of time. What I can say that is fact and printed and spoken about in many publications is that there are endless cases where Alaskan and Western State Bear guides have dropped using Big Bore pistols as their defense choice and replaced it with 10mm Glocks. This isn't debatable, it's a plain fact. In the end as I have said, it's a choice. One based on confidence and ability. After talking to a couple buddies that guide in Alaska, my choice is clear, proven and sound. Sounds like yours is as well. Agree to disagree is where that puts us. I don't agree that big wheel guns are inferior but don't believe they are superior. It's up to the user to make that decision for what they prefer. [/QUOTE]
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