Should we believe anything in the main stream gun mags???

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  1. Fiftydriver

    Fiftydriver <strong>Official LRH Sponsor</strong>

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    To all,

    Was sitting here on a breif lunch break reading a current issue of Rifle Magazine. I don;t read many of the mainstream mags anymore, Reloader and Rifle magazine are about it to be honest. There is still alot of fluff in them but did not seem as much as the others so I do still read them from time to time.

    Anyway, I was reading an article titled "Thompson/Center Arms- Pro Hunter Encore" written by Brian Pearce. Why Brian wrote this article is beyond me as he is a revolver and lever action shooter.

    This article was talking about the new stainless Encore handgun and mainly 28" barreled rifle. As I read though this article I began picking up things that just did not add up.

    First off, he wrote that this was a production rifle and then just after that said it has a crisp trigger which let off at 3 1/4 lbs with a clean break. Red flag number one.

    Then he wrote about sighting the rifle in for a Kentucky Whitetail hunt. He said he zeroed the rifle dead on at 100 yards. Red flag #2. What experienced hunter sights their rifle in dead on at 100 yards?

    Then he writes of the hunt and how he was hunting a specific 4x4 which he finally got lined up on fourth day of the hunt. The buck was at 200 yards and in thick brush and then suddenly appeared only a patch of the deer which he "could clearly identify as the heart lung area. and took the shot.

    My question is this. He was supposedly shooting a 280 Rem using factory ammo loaded with the 160 gr Accubond. I do not know what the muzzle velocity of this ammo was but I would guess in the 2800 fps range in the 280 Rem. Now with a dead on zero at 100 yards, he would be pushing 4" low at 200 yards. Not that it would be impossible or even hard to make the shot on this deer with this sight in but if you could only see a very small portion of the bucks heart/lung area and you had 4" of drop from 100 to 200 yards, I would suspect either the buck was alot closer then he writes or its just a story.

    Anyway, the shot was made, the deer ran 60-70 yards and piled up. He writes about the very mature 4x4 being one of the largest bodied deer he had ever shot and then the story was over. I had to look at the next page to see if there was a picture of the buck or not.

    This really raise my suspision of the article. These guys go on promo hunts ALL THE TIME to advertise a companies new products. You can not tell me they would not have a camera with them on a promo hunt to show the readers the friuts of these new wonderful products.

    All in all, after reading the article I set there thinking, this guy just made up the entire article out of his head and tried to pass it on as legit testing. I can not prove this but it sure as heck smells of stink!!!

    So I guess my comment is this, how many of the main stream magazine articles are based on actual range and field testing and how many are total fictional reading. I don't dare say what I really think but I will say 50% actual testing is probably being very gracious to these main stream gun writers.

    Now I know they are given assignments on what to write about by the industry, no secret there, thats fine but I get the feeling they are not even actually putting in the time to actually test these products and give a valuable, even though biased opinion of the product.

    Alright, done ranting!! Will let my subscription of Rifle Magazine laps next time and just read here on LRH /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif!!

    Your opinions welcome, am I being to hard on the main stream gun writers? Let me know.

    Kirby Allen(50)
     
  2. Michael Eichele

    Michael Eichele Well-Known Member

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    There are many reasons I flat out dont read "gun" magazines. You will see me hanging around this site and thats about it. There is alot more reality here than in the "gun" mags. Always been dissapointed after reading a gun mag esspecially when they are attached to a name like "Craig Boddington" and such who tells 1/2 the story. Or tells you what you should do (or not do) and then admits he just did what he told you to do (or not to do) but doesnt tell you to what extent he does it, but its okay for him to, but not me. Do as I say not as I do....HYPOCRITE!!! I am glad I got that off my chest! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Never been dissapointed in here.
     

  3. nksmfamjp

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    More likely, these guys are just average shooters overloaded with products to test, dealines to meet and free gift hunts to go on. In addition, they all know how important it is to be "honest" and "sure" when evaluating a product. Of course honest and sure to us means telling us that the binoculars fogged some in the corner. The lens caps fell off never to be found again and that the left turret on the scope was mushy.

    But honest and sure to an editor means. . .be sure that what you say about a product can be substantuated. These are our advertising dollars at stake. It just depends who you are being honest to.

    Also, the product manufacturers make it easy by providing you a product which has been fully tested and confirmed to exceed the company's spec in every way. It is filled full of center spec parts and provided with ammo matched for the best result. Oh yea, the action is a one off custom and the barrel is made from a custom blank because they are "prototype." Any issues found are resolved with the phrase production guns will be more consistant.
     
  4. Nomosendero

    Nomosendero Well-Known Member

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    When I am working in a town that has a decent book store, I
    will look at the magazines &amp; try to find a mag. worth buying. I typically won't buy over 1 mag. every 2 months. I
    looked at the newest Shooting Times &amp; the .257 Wea. article
    by Layne Simpson. I like that round but I feel he went a little overboard concerning traj. &amp; uses of the round by
    refering to it as a Mice to Moose round. Just normal stuff
    I am afraid.
     
  5. bailey1474

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    Funny thing is, I skim through the pages for the exact same reason you guys don't read them. I guess maybe it makes me feel like a bigger person to make fun of others. It never ceases to amaze me what some people will believe. If it's in print it has to be true /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
     
  6. Fiftydriver

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    Bill,

    It is that belief in false or biased comments that can be a real pain in the rear to a gunsmith.

    I have had customers ask about my 257 AM and want to know how fast it will drive a 100 gr Ballistic Tip. When I tell them 4100 fps in a 30" barrel they often look at me and say, so and so says the 257 Wby will do nearly that same thing but in a 26" barrel.

    It always amazes me how quick the general public is to believe what is written in print. One great thing about this board is that if something is said that does not add up, it is questioned. Not rudely in most cases, just asked to provide solid back ground facts or data supporting the claims.

    I would give my left arm to get Rick Jamison in a closed room where he had to answer 20 questions I prepared for him. Unfortunately, they all seem to be going the same direction. I actually like Layne Simpson. Really liked his writing when he was developing the STW rounds. Now that Rem has buried that round as a commercial offering his writing seem much less interesting.

    I think the main issue is that the gun writers are told what to write about to spur product sales. This is in spite of what we as shooters and hunters really want to read about.

    Guess there is nothing to do but shut up and go shooting!!!

    Kirby Allen(50)
     
  7. remingtonman_25_06

    remingtonman_25_06 Well-Known Member

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    Not that my age really means anything, but I like to say I am quite competent in the calibers and what there perforamnce levels are. I have spent I dont know how many countless hours on this site. this is by far the best place for information. Those so called experts that write, crack me up really. I think there are plenty people on this board that could do what they do. I think they try to sell more general stuff to the general public because if you think about it, thats where 90% of the stuff is marketed. Us long range shooters make up only a small percentage of shooters. We know what it takes to shoot long range and the equipment and the know how to use it. They dont really advocate shooting past 300 yards in any magazine I read and it still cracks me up to this day. When I start going into ballistics and what not, and talking about long range and making even a 500-600 yard shot, people look at me like I'm retarded, I think most of it has to do with my age, or maybe that they think I'm talking in a foreign language. Whatever it may be, us long range shooters truly are different breed, even after all the years spent on this site, and shooting and looking at ballistic table, all the rambling i've done to my dad, he still only shoots out to 400 yards or so and is still hazey on all the technical stuff and ballistics, and he has to listen to it from me every day! Sometimes I feel sorry for the poor old guy, ha ha. I'm with you fifty, these expert gun writers really need to get with the program.

    Actually though, I have read some articles by Ian McMurchy. He actually does advocate shooting long range and tells the equipment and what not. He is one writer I dont mind reading /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
     
  8. bailey1474

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    Actually though, I have read some articles by Ian McMurchy. He actually does advocate shooting long range and tells the equipment and what not. He is one writer I dont mind reading

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    I'm sure Ian will thank you kindly for "buttering his toast."
     
  9. Crane

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    "GUN TESTS" appears to give an honest objective opinion; Like "CONSUMER REPORTS". If you are unfamiliar they accept no advertising and usally pit two or three differant makes of similar firearms against one another, comparing performance, aesthetics and price. I wouldn't exactly call it a mainstream publication.
     
  10. jb1000br

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    "He said he zeroed the rifle dead on at 100 yards. Red flag #2. What experienced hunter sights their rifle in dead on at 100 yards?"

    One who memorizes comeups for several rifles...keeps things parallel in your (my) brain, and you never forget where your zero is in a pinch.

    What is wrong with a 100yd zero exactly? If you are looking for "max point blank range" type shooting then maybe not, but i doubt many of us here operate like that...

    BTW -- anyone can send articles in to magazines...write something up and send 'er in /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

    JB
     
  11. Tracer

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    Fiftydriver, it kind of makes you wonder doesn't it? I stop reading the gun rags a long time ago. Most of what is in there is Re-hash of what has already been printed. Now that is unless you are the type that is easy lead around by the nose over the so called miracle calibers like the WSM's etc.

    I spend very little if any of my money on a gun rag! Anything that comes up new is generated around our hunt and rifle club. I would put much more faith in the members there than somebody trying to increase circulation of a gun rag. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
     
  12. Fiftydriver

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    Crane,

    I would have to agree with you there. I used to subscribe to gun tests but they did not cover alot of what I was interested. That said though, they did give 100% honest opinions of the test items!!

    Kirby Allen(50)
     
  13. Fiftydriver

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    JB1000br,

    So your telling me you think old Brian Pearce, the revolver and lever action nut was just zeroed in at 100 yards so he had the proper zero for dialing up at longer ranges.

    I see the humor in that /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif!!

    Now if we were talking about zeroing at 100 yards, I would instantly assume you had a top end scope on that rifle with the full intent of dialing in for longer ranges when needed.

    I can not even begin to allow myself to believe Brian ever had this method of shooting cross his mind.

    One last thing, write up an article and send it to Shooting Times, Guns and Ammo, Rifle, Handloader and any of the other main stream magazines and see how long it takes to get it printed. In most cases you will not even get a response telling you your article will not be printed. Believe me on this one!!

    Good Shooting!!

    Kirby Allen(50)
     
  14. Coyboy

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    Kirby, I just finished a rant on nearly the same subject, aimed at Wayne van Zwoll. (see "The Front Porch" Precision Long Range Hunting forum)

    It is rediculous the crap the writers pass off. One thing I don't understand is how you can look in one mag and the same guy writes 3 articles a month, and has another 3-4 articles in a couple other Mags as well. Rick Jamison is a champion of the art of article recycling. Changes a few words and phrases and off to the next editor. Anybody that gets 3-4 gun mags every month knows what I'm talking about.