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<blockquote data-quote="Damage Inc." data-source="post: 2586527" data-attributes="member: 29754"><p>Good question Med…. I suppose that's the essence of the discussion. It only really matters if you're trying to translate first round hits on inanimate stuff, to first round hits on stuff with fur.</p><p></p><p>Do you need "hard data", or is it more of a "feel" for you?</p><p></p><p>Jasent nailed it though. The answer, again, is: actual field shooting. I've shot in those same conditions all over the west. From 12,000'+ rock massacres, to seaside bombs at coyotes.</p><p></p><p>Actual shooting goes a long way toward hitting almost everything you shoot at…. mostly by teaching what not to shoot at.</p><p></p><p>I'll extrapolate on the above statement, then qualify the delta in variables, as requested….</p><p></p><p>I knew instantly, that if it were a shot at a deer… I would take the 570 yard shot (post haste) and fully expect a deer in the dirt. Disclaimer: only if it were a BIG deer, as that pack-out would have been hell.</p><p></p><p>I also knew, instantly, that if it were a shot at a deer, I would try to get closer on the 700 yard shot (or at least watch for a while in an attempt to isolate some of those variables).</p><p></p><p>Here was the difference between the two shots:</p><p></p><p>looking at the 570 yard rock; it was across the canyon, with a fickle 2-4 mph wind from about 4:00. Because the shot was off a landing, and across the canyon, the wind had essentially zero effect on the shot. It was also a far more stable shooting platform and angle, than the other shot.</p><p></p><p>The 700 yard rock had a couple things that instantly made it tougher (in my humble experience).</p><p>1. The wind was now coming from 6:00ish, which is already bad. Sometimes it's from 5:00…. sometimes it's from 7:00. Where do you hold?</p><p>2. The shot would be fired from an exposed landing (4825' elev.), up toward the peak of the mountain (5100' elev.). Most of the surrounding stuff was lower than the landing, so the bullet is exposed to all kinds of crazy wind. To presume that wind is any kind "constant" is the acme of foolishness.</p><p>3. Shooting uphill 10* isn't extreme, but it's enough off a bipod, with Sporter weight hunting rifles, to cause some dubious shooting.</p><p></p><p>Ultimately, I was right. The wind looked like it was off the right… I held 1/2 mil R… bullet impact was 1 mil R. I adjusted quickly and pounded it with a 1/2 mil L. The the next shot hit 1 mil L with the same hold. All in about 10 seconds. Self-fulfilling prophecy? Maybe. But I'd have bet the first beer, and dinner on the way home…. against a first round hit. I'd have gladly paid-up too, because it'd have been an excellent rifle shot.</p><p></p><p>You are right about one thing though, it is all about having good DOPE.</p><p></p><p>But let's not forget….</p><p></p><p>The most important part of DOPE…. is the PE... because, if you've got no Previous Engagements….. then you've got no Data.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Damage Inc., post: 2586527, member: 29754"] Good question Med…. I suppose that’s the essence of the discussion. It only really matters if you’re trying to translate first round hits on inanimate stuff, to first round hits on stuff with fur. Do you need “hard data”, or is it more of a “feel” for you? Jasent nailed it though. The answer, again, is: actual field shooting. I’ve shot in those same conditions all over the west. From 12,000’+ rock massacres, to seaside bombs at coyotes. Actual shooting goes a long way toward hitting almost everything you shoot at…. mostly by teaching what not to shoot at. I’ll extrapolate on the above statement, then qualify the delta in variables, as requested…. I knew instantly, that if it were a shot at a deer… I would take the 570 yard shot (post haste) and fully expect a deer in the dirt. Disclaimer: only if it were a BIG deer, as that pack-out would have been hell. I also knew, instantly, that if it were a shot at a deer, I would try to get closer on the 700 yard shot (or at least watch for a while in an attempt to isolate some of those variables). Here was the difference between the two shots: looking at the 570 yard rock; it was across the canyon, with a fickle 2-4 mph wind from about 4:00. Because the shot was off a landing, and across the canyon, the wind had essentially zero effect on the shot. It was also a far more stable shooting platform and angle, than the other shot. The 700 yard rock had a couple things that instantly made it tougher (in my humble experience). 1. The wind was now coming from 6:00ish, which is already bad. Sometimes it’s from 5:00…. sometimes it’s from 7:00. Where do you hold? 2. The shot would be fired from an exposed landing (4825’ elev.), up toward the peak of the mountain (5100’ elev.). Most of the surrounding stuff was lower than the landing, so the bullet is exposed to all kinds of crazy wind. To presume that wind is any kind “constant” is the acme of foolishness. 3. Shooting uphill 10* isn’t extreme, but it’s enough off a bipod, with Sporter weight hunting rifles, to cause some dubious shooting. Ultimately, I was right. The wind looked like it was off the right… I held 1/2 mil R… bullet impact was 1 mil R. I adjusted quickly and pounded it with a 1/2 mil L. The the next shot hit 1 mil L with the same hold. All in about 10 seconds. Self-fulfilling prophecy? Maybe. But I’d have bet the first beer, and dinner on the way home…. against a first round hit. I’d have gladly paid-up too, because it’d have been an excellent rifle shot. You are right about one thing though, it is all about having good DOPE. But let’s not forget…. The most important part of DOPE…. is the PE... because, if you’ve got no Previous Engagements….. then you’ve got no Data. [/QUOTE]
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