Thanks Ballistic64 for giving the info on the other thread. Would some others mind giving some good load data on their short mags. Any caliber. I am looking at doing a new backpack rifle on a short light action and would like to see what some good loads do in this line of cartridges over a chronograph. I am sure this thread has been run somewhere and my appologies if it has but this would be some good info for a lot of guys without a lot of experience with these. Ballistic64 opened my eyes a bit with that load of h414. Gives me the idea of a shorter 24" light tube if it does well at that burn rate. Good accuracy in a short lightweight rifle with good velocity is what I am looking for. These short mags were not out when I did all my guns.