Shoots Better Dirty???

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by FullCurlHunter, Sep 10, 2008.

  1. FullCurlHunter

    FullCurlHunter Well-Known Member

    Apr 5, 2006
    I have a Weatherby mk v ULW in 300 weatherby.

    I usually shoot 5 - 8 rounds through this before cleaning. My cleaning process is a jag with patch and sweets 7.62, nylon brush with sweets and a jag with patch until clean.

    The gun has never shot to my standards 1.5" at 100 yards. I took it out to the range yesterday and and didnt clean it from the last time i was out. The groups seemed tighter than normal.

    Has anybody found that some of their rifles shoot better with 10 plus rounds through them (dirty)?

    My dad was telling me that a very well known handloader and shooter tracked all of his shooting and groups and found that there is no link to a clean vs a dirty gun when it comes to accuracy and grouping...

    Any thoughts?

    ICANHITHIMMAN Well-Known Member

    Jan 31, 2008
    That is normal you are cleaning to much IMO.

  3. steve smith

    steve smith Well-Known Member

    Jul 4, 2001
    Typically I will shoot as many rounds as it takes to make group sizes open up to determine the frequency at which I should clean. Usually it will be somewhere between 25-50 rounds.Although, I will clean each rifle after every shooting session whether or not I shoot 1 round or 50.
  4. lerch

    lerch <strong>SPONSOR</strong>

    Nov 15, 2004
    IMOP you are cleaning to much.

    once i clean my rifle i will shot 1-3 shot through it to foul the bbl and then it is money, first one or two shots always get thrown in my rifles. I dont have any that take 10 shots to foul up good but i guess it could happen.

  5. JeffVN

    JeffVN Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2004
    Yep too much cleaning. My 7WSM Rig prefers to have at least 25-30 down the pipe before she tightens up into her true accuracy zone.

  6. magicofmt

    magicofmt Well-Known Member

    May 9, 2005
    My 270 AM likes 5 or 6 shots before it starts to group at 300 yds. Might be me, but I won't clean it until at least 25-30 rounds down the tube.
  7. eddybo

    eddybo Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2007
    I would think it would depend on the state of your barrel when you worked your load up. If you work your load up using a clean but slightly fouled barrel that is where it should shoot would be my estimation. If your barrel was fouled well when you found that magic combo seems like dirty would be better. That said, I often shoot 30 or 40 rounds at BR matches w/o cleaning and never clean at f-class matches where I shoot 60 plus rounds. I would guess that 5 foulers would be the magic number for most of my rifles to really settle down, but have one kreiger that will shoot well after one shot to rid the barrel of any cleaning residue.
  8. dmgreene

    dmgreene Well-Known Member

    May 11, 2007
    Most of my high volume shooters I load 50 rounds at a time and I clean my rifle before I start on a new batch of 50 rounds. To be honest with you I can't tell any difference after the first couple of fowling rounds to the last shot fired out of the 50 round lots. The only bullets that I have had show any significant difference in accuracy after 15 or 20 rounds were Swift sirocco's and Barnes X bullets and I believe it is because they use a softer copper than most bullets.