Sharps rifle

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  1. Dead Beat

    Dead Beat Well-Known Member

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    i have a David Pedersoli sharps rifle 28 in barrel and it is a hoot to shoot its chambered in 45/70 and would like to shoot 45/90 out of it . does anyone know what it would take to make it shoot a 45/90 out of this rifle
    thanks JIM
     
  2. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

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    Just a good finish reamer and a gunsmith.

    But if you are shooting black powder or triple 7 I
    would recomend going to a 45/100 because the
    brass & reamer cost about the same as the 45/90
    would.

    I have a 45/110 but brass is hard to find.

    NOTE if your new to black powder cartriges a little
    trick to saving your brass from corroding is to carry a
    coffee can with soap and water to throw your brass in as
    soon as possible.

    It starts corroding almost as soon as you shoot.(I learned
    the hard way and lost 100 rds of once fired brass).

    So now I shoot triple 7 and clean the brass as soon as possible.

    Good Luck
    J E CUSTOM
     

  3. Dead Beat

    Dead Beat Well-Known Member

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    Thanks JE that was the answer i was hoping for do you of a smith that can do this for me. i live in southern California and cant seem to find a smith that i can trust out here.

    JIM
     
  4. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

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    Sorry

    I don't know any smith's in california But you should
    be able to find one on this site.

    It's straight forward because all you have to do is hand
    ream to the head (NOTE do not take any material off the
    sholder or you will change the head space).

    Log on under GUN SMITH'S and there is a list of smiths
    in all of the states(quite a few in california) then
    call and visit with some of them until you get comfortable.

    And if you can find one close go to his shop and talk
    eye ball to eye ball.

    Good luck on your search.
    J E CUSTOM
     
  5. Dead Beat

    Dead Beat Well-Known Member

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    Thanks JE ill start looking around for a good smith ill email some of the ones that frequent this site.. i dont plan on shooting BP with this rifle thanks again

    Jim
     
  6. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

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    Thanks JE ill start looking around for a good smith ill email some of the ones that frequent this site.. i dont plan on shooting BP with this rifle thanks again

    Jim

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    Jim

    A word of caution:
    Going to a 45/90,45/100 or any of the larger cases and using smokeless could be dangerous.

    The reason for going to a larger case is to increse
    velocity with black powder or a clone(like tripple 7)

    The factory 45/70 loads are between 1200ftps&1300ftps
    that use smokeless powder for safety in old rifels or replica's.

    Only modern rifles like the browning or ruger can use
    high pressure loads.

    If you dont like black powder use something like tripple
    7, My 45/110 pushes a 450gr barnes x to 1900ftps with 95
    grs of tripple 7 and does not fowl the barrel.

    I have shot up to 620gr cast bullets using tripple 7
    and it worked well, best group to date is a 5 shot 1.137 at
    100rds and 5 shots at just over 9" at 600rds .

    So if you intend to shoot smokeless theres no need
    to go any larger than a 45/70.

    Pedersoli does not recomend the use of smokeless on any
    of there larger(45/90,45/100,45/110 or 45/120s).

    So be careful /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
    J E CUSTOM
     
  7. Dead Beat

    Dead Beat Well-Known Member

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    Thanks JE ill do some more research on the rifle if i can get better performance out of black powder i ill get into reloading!! if its alright with you i would like to PM you and ask some more specific questions on BP shooting

    i need to start reloading any way $ 48 a box for my 300 ultra mag kinda hurts

    thanks JIM
     
  8. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

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    Jim

    PM away
    I have been helped on this site so maby I can return
    the favor.

    Thanks
    J E CUSTOM
     
  9. Dead Beat

    Dead Beat Well-Known Member

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    thanks JE will do


    JIM
     
  10. shortshooter

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    Just reamer work, that's all.

    I do not know the strength of the Pedersoli reciever, but I do know about the C. Sharps Arms and Shiloh Sharps rifles.

    A word on reciever strength, as there is a lot of myth of not shooting smokeless powder and whatnot.

    The Shiloh reciever is investment cast just like a Ruger No. 1. The C. Sharps 1874 reciever is machined out of a block or plate of stock, and their 1875 reciever is cast for them by, you guessed it, Ruger.

    Both of these companies are located in Big Timber Montana, and I have lived there for 5 years, so it gave me an opportunity to buy the rifles and talk one on one with the owners.

    Both C. Sharps and Shiloh assured me that their rifles were in the pressure/strength territory of the Ruger No. 1. They are made of modern steels and have been tested to be safe for smokeless loads. The makers advocate black powder for best performance though. It is a tradition.

    Now some might say that the big cased were designed for black powder and that smokeless is not the way to go.

    Well think of this. Take a 458 lott case and you pretty much have a dead ringer for the 45-110. What will the 458 lott do? Yep. the 45-110 , or the old 450 Nitro will push the big bullets out with wallop.

    I like black powder shooting, but I also know the that my personal Sharps rifles can push out big bullets faster than a 458 winchester if needed. Heck, my 75 sharps is nothing more than a No 1 Ruger with a hammer.
     
  11. Dead Beat

    Dead Beat Well-Known Member

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    i need to do some research on this pedersoli make the billy dixon sharps the pedersoli is the better of the 2 italian sharps out there

    DB
     
  12. J E Custom

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    Deadbeat

    I'll probly catch he##### for saying this but hear goes.

    If you want to shoot smokeless powder in a big bore
    then by a 460 weatherby.

    If you want to shoot a falling block use powder that
    smokes it's a lot more fun.

    Why buy a black powder rifle and shoot smokeless powder
    in it.

    How many people buy a 458 win to shoot black powder in it.

    I hope I did'nt offend anyone /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
    Just my opinion Have fun
    J E CUSTOM
     
  13. shortshooter

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    Nothing wrong with shooting blackpowder, and I really like it myself. But if I am paying over 2 grand for a rifle, I want to know about the strength of my reciever and have the option of shooting black or smokeless. That's all.

    Today's falling block rifles are better than ever. They are produced of superior metals and metalurgy, and are tightly fitted from precision machines and even handwork.

    A new Shiloh, c.sharps, or Axtell is far more rifle than the originals were just due to material advances and strength.

    They are good stuff.
     
  14. Dead Beat

    Dead Beat Well-Known Member

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    hey thanks for all the advice like i said im just ckecking into info for a idea i have

    JIM