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<blockquote data-quote="happylilcuss" data-source="post: 298244" data-attributes="member: 11618"><p>Dewise I agree 100% were preaching to the choir here. But then again if you cant vent to the people you trust and know understand where your coming from then whats the point. The people that Im worried about (the ones that check there zero 3 days before the season on a 12" target and are happy with three hits on paper) we probably couldnt make to understand anyway. It seems that most of the guys here get as frustrated as me about this subject. Confidence, shot placement and caliber are all equally important.</p><p> </p><p>I had a client come deer hunting one year with a wby 338-378. I made him check his zero upon arrival as I do all my clients. He brought out his rifle and 2 rounds. He shot once and missed a milk jug at 100yds. I asked what happened and he said he flinched. So he loaded his second round and missed again. He said "I must just be tired from the drive and cant shake this flinch. I said no big deal go ahead and let her go again.. He said well, If you wouldnt mind I would like you to give it a try.. Not thinking I went ahead and did. I hit the jug and was satisfied his rifle was capable. The next morning we found a nice 26" 4x4 buck accross a canyon. We snuck as close as we could (well as close as I was comfortable taking a man who couldnt get on his knees and crawl) I got him set up on my back pack prone with a nice dead set rest.) He argued with me for 5 min about the range saying it was much farther than 400 yds. (NE oregon has some wide open crp fields and thats what we were hunting.) I finally handed him the range finder for a second time to prove to him. He kept telling me he had to hold over the bucks back. I told him to hold just high on his shoulder and let it go.. He shot..... And I called the hit about 2 feet high.. His answer was wow thats right where I held. So he chambered another round. The buck was still standing broadside unaware what was going on. He let the second round go and hit the buck right through the hams. not hitting any bone the buck hobbled about 75 yds farther away. he took his third shot and missed... I told him to calm down and just relax. He told me he was out of ammo. I said no problem we have lots of time now just reload.. He said "No I mean I dont have any more ammo on me. Thats all I brought.." Now I am getting ****ed. I pulled my model 700 22-250 out of my back scabbard and dialed in the hold. I told him to hold dead tight and let it go.. </p><p>Well now he argued with me that the "little pea shooter" couldnt kill the buck from this range.. He finally just told me to do it myself. I laid down held tight on the neck and dropped the buck with one shot.. (I understand its not legal and not right but I was ****ed and just wanted the hunt over with.) After the hunt he was appologetic however I told him to not bother trying to book again next year.. </p><p></p><p>Well he booked with a neighbor guide the next year. Guess what he showed up with for a rifle.. No not a 22-250 but a 250-3000.. I guess one shot proved to him that confidence, shot placement make a huge difference.. He was a nice guy but had just been educated wrong.. Before he left we had a talk about trusting his guide (who lives and works in the area and knows whats going on) and the fact that being proficient with the gun you carry is very very important.. This story just cracks me up every time I think about it.. Now that its history anyway..</p><p>again sorry for the long post</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="happylilcuss, post: 298244, member: 11618"] Dewise I agree 100% were preaching to the choir here. But then again if you cant vent to the people you trust and know understand where your coming from then whats the point. The people that Im worried about (the ones that check there zero 3 days before the season on a 12" target and are happy with three hits on paper) we probably couldnt make to understand anyway. It seems that most of the guys here get as frustrated as me about this subject. Confidence, shot placement and caliber are all equally important. I had a client come deer hunting one year with a wby 338-378. I made him check his zero upon arrival as I do all my clients. He brought out his rifle and 2 rounds. He shot once and missed a milk jug at 100yds. I asked what happened and he said he flinched. So he loaded his second round and missed again. He said "I must just be tired from the drive and cant shake this flinch. I said no big deal go ahead and let her go again.. He said well, If you wouldnt mind I would like you to give it a try.. Not thinking I went ahead and did. I hit the jug and was satisfied his rifle was capable. The next morning we found a nice 26" 4x4 buck accross a canyon. We snuck as close as we could (well as close as I was comfortable taking a man who couldnt get on his knees and crawl) I got him set up on my back pack prone with a nice dead set rest.) He argued with me for 5 min about the range saying it was much farther than 400 yds. (NE oregon has some wide open crp fields and thats what we were hunting.) I finally handed him the range finder for a second time to prove to him. He kept telling me he had to hold over the bucks back. I told him to hold just high on his shoulder and let it go.. He shot..... And I called the hit about 2 feet high.. His answer was wow thats right where I held. So he chambered another round. The buck was still standing broadside unaware what was going on. He let the second round go and hit the buck right through the hams. not hitting any bone the buck hobbled about 75 yds farther away. he took his third shot and missed... I told him to calm down and just relax. He told me he was out of ammo. I said no problem we have lots of time now just reload.. He said "No I mean I dont have any more ammo on me. Thats all I brought.." Now I am getting ****ed. I pulled my model 700 22-250 out of my back scabbard and dialed in the hold. I told him to hold dead tight and let it go.. Well now he argued with me that the "little pea shooter" couldnt kill the buck from this range.. He finally just told me to do it myself. I laid down held tight on the neck and dropped the buck with one shot.. (I understand its not legal and not right but I was ****ed and just wanted the hunt over with.) After the hunt he was appologetic however I told him to not bother trying to book again next year.. Well he booked with a neighbor guide the next year. Guess what he showed up with for a rifle.. No not a 22-250 but a 250-3000.. I guess one shot proved to him that confidence, shot placement make a huge difference.. He was a nice guy but had just been educated wrong.. Before he left we had a talk about trusting his guide (who lives and works in the area and knows whats going on) and the fact that being proficient with the gun you carry is very very important.. This story just cracks me up every time I think about it.. Now that its history anyway.. again sorry for the long post [/QUOTE]
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