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Sen. Lindsey Graham is drafting 'red flag' gun confiscation bill. Every right has its limit say Grah
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<blockquote data-quote="Alibiiv" data-source="post: 1641691" data-attributes="member: 69192"><p><em><u><strong>"I agree with most of what you said, but for you to say Some Red Flag Law are good is not right and will never be right or Constitutional in my mind.</strong>"</u></em> Nope not totally what I am saying. I am saying that some of the elements of the Red Flag laws have some merit. And....there's also a great propensity for these laws to be exploited to a point where they violate a person's second amendment rights, <u><em>if....there is another agenda other than making it so that person cannot hurt themselves or others</em></u>. I do not find anything improper in taking a firearm (or any other weapon/object/element/rope/shovel/ax) away from a person who is angry/unstable/acting crazy and is planning on hurting themselves or others; or, even is planning to do so. And seizing someone's possessions can also be a violation of a person's 4th Amendment rights; illegal seizure. As for the Vermont incident that you wrote about, I am not too certain about the circumstances/facts; however, if it happened as you described the incident in your post, I do not like the way that it happened and consider it wrong/improper confiscation of the firearms. Vermont used to be quite liberal with their firearms and 2nd Amendment rights, it appears that those views are changing. So.....nope I don't agree with what happened there at all. To me that act falls within the parameters of extremism that I have written about in previous posts. That incident certainly appears to be "something" other than what the law was intended to do; the fishing expedition I mentioned earlier.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alibiiv, post: 1641691, member: 69192"] [I][U][B]"I agree with most of what you said, but for you to say Some Red Flag Law are good is not right and will never be right or Constitutional in my mind.[/B]"[/U][/I] Nope not totally what I am saying. I am saying that some of the elements of the Red Flag laws have some merit. And....there's also a great propensity for these laws to be exploited to a point where they violate a person's second amendment rights, [U][I]if....there is another agenda other than making it so that person cannot hurt themselves or others[/I][/U]. I do not find anything improper in taking a firearm (or any other weapon/object/element/rope/shovel/ax) away from a person who is angry/unstable/acting crazy and is planning on hurting themselves or others; or, even is planning to do so. And seizing someone's possessions can also be a violation of a person's 4th Amendment rights; illegal seizure. As for the Vermont incident that you wrote about, I am not too certain about the circumstances/facts; however, if it happened as you described the incident in your post, I do not like the way that it happened and consider it wrong/improper confiscation of the firearms. Vermont used to be quite liberal with their firearms and 2nd Amendment rights, it appears that those views are changing. So.....nope I don't agree with what happened there at all. To me that act falls within the parameters of extremism that I have written about in previous posts. That incident certainly appears to be "something" other than what the law was intended to do; the fishing expedition I mentioned earlier. [/QUOTE]
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