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Sen. Lindsey Graham is drafting 'red flag' gun confiscation bill. Every right has its limit say Grah
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<blockquote data-quote="WVRifleman" data-source="post: 1641562" data-attributes="member: 35678"><p><strong><span style="color: #000066">That's funny, you're advocating taking rights away from someone when there WAS NEVER A CRIME TO BEGIN WITH. How can you justify that abuse of power then claiming it's not? There is not a BUT at the end of the 2nd Amendment. </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066">Due process doesn't mean anything at all when there were never a crime in the first place. It's a joke. The talking points are ridiculous about strong "due process". No crime, no probable cause, no charge and no right to take firearms away from a law abiding citizen just because some one FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE that some one in their family or neighborhood have guns. Not to mention, in many states you have no right to counsel. You have to pay a lawyer yourself, if you can afford one to get your guns back. That's not due process for poorer folks. That's why many of these in states already claim they have destroyed guns afterwards, and claiming vindication when folks can't afford a lawyer to get their rights back. This is outrageous anyone thinking this is acceptable in America.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066">We already have Laws in place to adjudicate Mentally ill people from owning guns. But that's too hard. We need where Joe Blow can disarm you because you got angry.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066">You are nuts of you don't think the Govt is not trying to disarm Americans.These laws don't target Criminals, they target law abiding citizens who NEVER BROKE A LAW..This Law is the real life "Minority Report" and it's dead wrong and will not work! </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066">We are not guilty until proven innocent in America. And to tell me you don't want to get into the Constitutional debate over this is intellectually dishonest to think it has nothing to do with the constitutionality of these laws when they have everything to do it. It is NOT RADICAL TO BELIEVE IN OUR CONSTITUTION THAT PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM OUR GOVERNMENT. </span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #000066"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066">Both parties are wanting your guns. And they will KILL YOU to get them. Ask the man that was Killed in MD that committed no crime, no accusation of a crime, no probable cause of a crime and no charge of a crime. SOMEONE called for a ERPO's / Red Flag Law Enforcement because SOMEONE, we don't know who because you are NOT entitled to know the person who was in fear of a gun owner just because he was a gun owner.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066">BTW, </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066">The Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits the purchase or possession of firearms by people who have been formally and involuntarily committed to mental health or drug treatment by a court, mental health board, or other legal commission.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066">That means a person who may be a danger to themselves or others by being mentally unstable is found that way via adjudication not some fear of street cop or nosy anti-gun neighbor. </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000066"></span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WVRifleman, post: 1641562, member: 35678"] [B][COLOR=#000066]That’s funny, you’re advocating taking rights away from someone when there WAS NEVER A CRIME TO BEGIN WITH. How can you justify that abuse of power then claiming it’s not? There is not a BUT at the end of the 2nd Amendment. Due process doesn’t mean anything at all when there were never a crime in the first place. It’s a joke. The talking points are ridiculous about strong “due process”. No crime, no probable cause, no charge and no right to take firearms away from a law abiding citizen just because some one FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE that some one in their family or neighborhood have guns. Not to mention, in many states you have no right to counsel. You have to pay a lawyer yourself, if you can afford one to get your guns back. That’s not due process for poorer folks. That’s why many of these in states already claim they have destroyed guns afterwards, and claiming vindication when folks can't afford a lawyer to get their rights back. This is outrageous anyone thinking this is acceptable in America. We already have Laws in place to adjudicate Mentally ill people from owning guns. But that’s too hard. We need where Joe Blow can disarm you because you got angry. You are nuts of you don’t think the Govt is not trying to disarm Americans.These laws don’t target Criminals, they target law abiding citizens who NEVER BROKE A LAW..This Law is the real life “Minority Report” and it’s dead wrong and will not work! We are not guilty until proven innocent in America. And to tell me you don’t want to get into the Constitutional debate over this is intellectually dishonest to think it has nothing to do with the constitutionality of these laws when they have everything to do it. It is NOT RADICAL TO BELIEVE IN OUR CONSTITUTION THAT PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM OUR GOVERNMENT. Both parties are wanting your guns. And they will KILL YOU to get them. Ask the man that was Killed in MD that committed no crime, no accusation of a crime, no probable cause of a crime and no charge of a crime. SOMEONE called for a ERPO’s / Red Flag Law Enforcement because SOMEONE, we don’t know who because you are NOT entitled to know the person who was in fear of a gun owner just because he was a gun owner. BTW, The Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits the purchase or possession of firearms by people who have been formally and involuntarily committed to mental health or drug treatment by a court, mental health board, or other legal commission. That means a person who may be a danger to themselves or others by being mentally unstable is found that way via adjudication not some fear of street cop or nosy anti-gun neighbor. [/COLOR][/B] [/QUOTE]
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