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<blockquote data-quote="Scot E" data-source="post: 588701" data-attributes="member: 10832"><p>Some really good points here. I agree, they are here now, we won't get rid of them so what is the next step. In my mind it has got to be permanent management by the states. I think this is one of the reasons BGF is working on a congressional level. Also I think States and its citizens need to insist that we stick to the original numbers agreed on by all parties involved. 15 packs and 150 wolves per state. State officials and Fish&Game have all kowtowed to this and made more and more concessions but managing to those numbers would be ideal. Unfortunately this can't be done with hunting pressure alone. Not even close. Trapping and even more aggressive management by F&G will have to be used to keep the numbers in check. Especially in Idaho the terrain is just too rugged. And in our wilderness area hunters have pretty much stopped going in there because there is so little game so there is even less pressure there and fewer ways to get in to manage them.</p><p></p><p>You are also correct, this isn't just the USFWS or the State F&G agencies. This progressive disease is running through the Forest Service as well. I got into quite the argument this fall with some forest service agents. Interestingly it was a couple young agents that were spouting all this global warming nonsense and how man in the forest has caused all these problems. I felt like I was watching a glorified Bambi episode! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> They are closing down roads and campgrounds like crazy right now in the name of habitat or riparian areas etc. Some of these roads and campsites have been in place since my grandpa was young. They are still pristine and beautiful but for some unknown reason they need to be shutdown. There was an older officer with them who later came back and pretty much apologized for their behavior. In a very concerned tone he pretty much said that this is the kind of people that are being hired by the Forest Service nowadays and he is worried that the Forest Service he grew up loving is gone forever. He said the FS has pretty much turned into a Federal Green organization and has almost nothing in common with the FS of old.</p><p></p><p>We need to get informed. We need to get organized. We need to give of our time and money to get this thing back on track. In my mind it starts with electing officials that share our common goals and values. Most of the good folks are too busy making an honest living and raising families to get involved but this is really part of the problem. It leaves all the knuckleheads to run for office. This means taking the time to learn about their records and help get the good guys elected and the bad guys ran out of town. I look at the list above and I don't have time nor does it sound very fun but if we don't start getting involved we are going to lose this country.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scot E, post: 588701, member: 10832"] Some really good points here. I agree, they are here now, we won't get rid of them so what is the next step. In my mind it has got to be permanent management by the states. I think this is one of the reasons BGF is working on a congressional level. Also I think States and its citizens need to insist that we stick to the original numbers agreed on by all parties involved. 15 packs and 150 wolves per state. State officials and Fish&Game have all kowtowed to this and made more and more concessions but managing to those numbers would be ideal. Unfortunately this can't be done with hunting pressure alone. Not even close. Trapping and even more aggressive management by F&G will have to be used to keep the numbers in check. Especially in Idaho the terrain is just too rugged. And in our wilderness area hunters have pretty much stopped going in there because there is so little game so there is even less pressure there and fewer ways to get in to manage them. You are also correct, this isn't just the USFWS or the State F&G agencies. This progressive disease is running through the Forest Service as well. I got into quite the argument this fall with some forest service agents. Interestingly it was a couple young agents that were spouting all this global warming nonsense and how man in the forest has caused all these problems. I felt like I was watching a glorified Bambi episode! :rolleyes: They are closing down roads and campgrounds like crazy right now in the name of habitat or riparian areas etc. Some of these roads and campsites have been in place since my grandpa was young. They are still pristine and beautiful but for some unknown reason they need to be shutdown. There was an older officer with them who later came back and pretty much apologized for their behavior. In a very concerned tone he pretty much said that this is the kind of people that are being hired by the Forest Service nowadays and he is worried that the Forest Service he grew up loving is gone forever. He said the FS has pretty much turned into a Federal Green organization and has almost nothing in common with the FS of old. We need to get informed. We need to get organized. We need to give of our time and money to get this thing back on track. In my mind it starts with electing officials that share our common goals and values. Most of the good folks are too busy making an honest living and raising families to get involved but this is really part of the problem. It leaves all the knuckleheads to run for office. This means taking the time to learn about their records and help get the good guys elected and the bad guys ran out of town. I look at the list above and I don't have time nor does it sound very fun but if we don't start getting involved we are going to lose this country. [/QUOTE]
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