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<blockquote data-quote="Scot E" data-source="post: 588687" data-attributes="member: 10832"><p>PBS ought to stand for the Progressive Bull Shi**ers instead of the Public Broadcasting Service. A much more accurate description IMO. They are highly political. Just look at the hot water they are in over the Sesame Street food stamp episode they ran. Their liberal leaning political standing is a long running issue with many.</p><p></p><p>Only speculation on my part but I believe they were wiped out by the timber wolves. I know for a fact that entire coyote populations have been wiped out by them. They just don't put up with competition by other wolves or other animals. Not the wolves fault as they are just doing what they do but it is all the more reason why we need sound and aggressive management. Not 15 years of politics and green weenie lawsuits. </p><p></p><p>It sounds to me like we just have a different trust level of the government. I would love to trust them to do what is right but just don't see anything come to fruition very often. What is it the feds do well again? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There have been experts talking about this. Some of the links in previous posts mentions this. I just don't find the practice of introducing an animal that is close to 50% larger in size good science. Heck, all the biologists theorized that the wolves main diet would be deer and they wouldn't really bother elk. Coyotes bother elk and they only hunt in pairs usually. Cats and bears take a toll on elk numbers and they are sole predators, but wolves won't bother elk herds? I am just a good ol boy from Idaho but it kinda makes me worried when I seem to have a better understanding of what is going to happen than the biologists. Plus elk just tastes better than deer so that by itself should have been an indicator! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> Just another reason I don't trust the feds for much of anything. They are either extremely ignorant or extremely biased. I vote for the latter. </p><p></p><p>I don't think anyone is taking offense to this conversation. I think it is good to talk about this kind of issue. But more importantly I agree with Jmden from an earlier post when he stated that we all need to be careful where we get our info and who we choose to believe. There is a lot of bad info out there, much of it being intentionally disseminated, and we need to be careful what we believe and what we spread because they truth is what should prevail here. Not propaganda based on politics and greed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Big game prioritization isn't for the sole benefit of hunters. Hunting and its associated activities is a large sector of our economy. It seems counterproductive to me to buildup a sector of the economy for 50+ years just to have it destroyed by unsound management practices and outside influences. I understand your point about ANWAR and federal lands but these are just classic examples of how the Feds have taken over too much power from the States. You won't be able to convince me to just sit back on my laurels and do nothing just because there are lousy laws and policies in place. This kind of thing is exactly what has got this country in the mess it is in today. The good folks of this country have been asleep and the crazies have taken over. We better get back in the fight or we are in real trouble on many fronts. </p><p></p><p>One point that I do disagree with you on is regarding the prioritization of big game herds for hunting. I would argue hunters should have top priority. At least in the lower 48 the funds to manage wildlife comes mostly from hunting and fishing dollars gathered by licenses and tag fees. I don't see any wildlife viewing or environmental activist organizations donating a dime of money toward management. In addition much of the money to keep the mountain roads usable comes from our off road vehicle licenses and RV licenses. The trail systems are kept open by motorcycle trail associations mostly. I just find it awfully frustrating that hunters by in large care more about wildlife than anyone else, and show it by the support they give in dollars and time invested yet we are told by some to just sit back and not fight for our beliefs,traditions, way of life and for wildlife. You take hunters and fisherman and their money out of the system and we have no wildlife to manage.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is another big problem. Hunters and fisherman are much more silent in voicing their opinions than are environmentalists and other organizations. Most of us are too busy working hard and raising families. These green organizations are extremely organized. A simple e-mail is sent out to their masses and in a few hours there are tens of thousands of e-mails sitting at a senators inbox. It is one of the reasons we are loosing this fight. It seems that there are way more of them than there really are. This is one of the reasons I really push Big Game Forever. They have a very easy to use site where you can send an e-mail to any Senator or Representative and it only takes about a minute. I even use their site to send my opinion on other issues, it is just so easy to use. They are working very hard to get as many people on their list as possible. If we can get organized we stand a much better chance of having our voices heard and getting things done that are in the best interest of ourselves and TRUE wildlife management. </p><p></p><p>Scot E.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scot E, post: 588687, member: 10832"] PBS ought to stand for the Progressive Bull Shi**ers instead of the Public Broadcasting Service. A much more accurate description IMO. They are highly political. Just look at the hot water they are in over the Sesame Street food stamp episode they ran. Their liberal leaning political standing is a long running issue with many. Only speculation on my part but I believe they were wiped out by the timber wolves. I know for a fact that entire coyote populations have been wiped out by them. They just don't put up with competition by other wolves or other animals. Not the wolves fault as they are just doing what they do but it is all the more reason why we need sound and aggressive management. Not 15 years of politics and green weenie lawsuits. It sounds to me like we just have a different trust level of the government. I would love to trust them to do what is right but just don't see anything come to fruition very often. What is it the feds do well again? :) There have been experts talking about this. Some of the links in previous posts mentions this. I just don't find the practice of introducing an animal that is close to 50% larger in size good science. Heck, all the biologists theorized that the wolves main diet would be deer and they wouldn't really bother elk. Coyotes bother elk and they only hunt in pairs usually. Cats and bears take a toll on elk numbers and they are sole predators, but wolves won't bother elk herds? I am just a good ol boy from Idaho but it kinda makes me worried when I seem to have a better understanding of what is going to happen than the biologists. Plus elk just tastes better than deer so that by itself should have been an indicator! :D Just another reason I don't trust the feds for much of anything. They are either extremely ignorant or extremely biased. I vote for the latter. I don't think anyone is taking offense to this conversation. I think it is good to talk about this kind of issue. But more importantly I agree with Jmden from an earlier post when he stated that we all need to be careful where we get our info and who we choose to believe. There is a lot of bad info out there, much of it being intentionally disseminated, and we need to be careful what we believe and what we spread because they truth is what should prevail here. Not propaganda based on politics and greed. Big game prioritization isn't for the sole benefit of hunters. Hunting and its associated activities is a large sector of our economy. It seems counterproductive to me to buildup a sector of the economy for 50+ years just to have it destroyed by unsound management practices and outside influences. I understand your point about ANWAR and federal lands but these are just classic examples of how the Feds have taken over too much power from the States. You won't be able to convince me to just sit back on my laurels and do nothing just because there are lousy laws and policies in place. This kind of thing is exactly what has got this country in the mess it is in today. The good folks of this country have been asleep and the crazies have taken over. We better get back in the fight or we are in real trouble on many fronts. One point that I do disagree with you on is regarding the prioritization of big game herds for hunting. I would argue hunters should have top priority. At least in the lower 48 the funds to manage wildlife comes mostly from hunting and fishing dollars gathered by licenses and tag fees. I don't see any wildlife viewing or environmental activist organizations donating a dime of money toward management. In addition much of the money to keep the mountain roads usable comes from our off road vehicle licenses and RV licenses. The trail systems are kept open by motorcycle trail associations mostly. I just find it awfully frustrating that hunters by in large care more about wildlife than anyone else, and show it by the support they give in dollars and time invested yet we are told by some to just sit back and not fight for our beliefs,traditions, way of life and for wildlife. You take hunters and fisherman and their money out of the system and we have no wildlife to manage. This is another big problem. Hunters and fisherman are much more silent in voicing their opinions than are environmentalists and other organizations. Most of us are too busy working hard and raising families. These green organizations are extremely organized. A simple e-mail is sent out to their masses and in a few hours there are tens of thousands of e-mails sitting at a senators inbox. It is one of the reasons we are loosing this fight. It seems that there are way more of them than there really are. This is one of the reasons I really push Big Game Forever. They have a very easy to use site where you can send an e-mail to any Senator or Representative and it only takes about a minute. I even use their site to send my opinion on other issues, it is just so easy to use. They are working very hard to get as many people on their list as possible. If we can get organized we stand a much better chance of having our voices heard and getting things done that are in the best interest of ourselves and TRUE wildlife management. Scot E. [/QUOTE]
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