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<blockquote data-quote="jmden" data-source="post: 588618" data-attributes="member: 1742"><p>Did you read all the links I listed...? ...such as this one?: </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2011/01/21/native-rocky-mountain-wolves-v-introduced-canadian-gray-wolves/" target="_blank">Native Rocky Mountain Wolves v. Introduced Canadian Gray Wolves - Black Bear Blog</a></p><p></p><p>You mention in an earlier post about getting information from a PBS show. This is exactly the kind of place where you will NOT get the right information. The true story is not being mentioned at all through typical media channels, which should not be a surprise to anyone. This is an issue, like many others, where it is necessary to dig deep to find out what has transpired historically and what is happening now.</p><p></p><p>Edit: And, perhaps others can help me out here, but I don't know what the best way out of this issue is. The reality is that we are not going to be allowed to kill off all the wolves in the lower 48, so they need to be managed and that is where the big fight will be because all sides will not agree on what 'managed' means. </p><p></p><p>They are here now and aren't going away, even though though the way they were introduced likely killed off what was left of the natvive wolf population (unbelievable that the Feds allowed this to happen). I believe this may clearly show a philosophical and political anti-hunting and anti-second ammendment, anti-ranching, anti-grazing on federal land bent by the Feds. Clearly, if you introduce an apex predator of this type, even killing off native subspecies in the process, your goal is not about some lofty ideal of bringing a native animal back to its native habitat. So what is the goal?</p><p></p><p>It is just incredibly unfortunate that the information mentioned in my link above wasn't followed through on by was apparently ignored by the Feds.</p><p></p><p>Listen to this link and you might start to understand why the 'Feds' have the bent they often have now: [ame="http://vimeo.com/28939194"]Crying Wolf - Jim Beers: The Demise of Conservation on Vimeo[/ame]</p><p></p><p>Like someone else said, if the ESA was taken this far and so obviously abused for political/philosophical gain, what's to keep us from bringing back sabre tooth tigers, once the understanding and technology exists? Hmmm...? When that occurs, you can bet there will be arguments made for just that based on the ESA.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jmden, post: 588618, member: 1742"] Did you read all the links I listed...? ...such as this one?: [url=http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2011/01/21/native-rocky-mountain-wolves-v-introduced-canadian-gray-wolves/]Native Rocky Mountain Wolves v. Introduced Canadian Gray Wolves - Black Bear Blog[/url] You mention in an earlier post about getting information from a PBS show. This is exactly the kind of place where you will NOT get the right information. The true story is not being mentioned at all through typical media channels, which should not be a surprise to anyone. This is an issue, like many others, where it is necessary to dig deep to find out what has transpired historically and what is happening now. Edit: And, perhaps others can help me out here, but I don't know what the best way out of this issue is. The reality is that we are not going to be allowed to kill off all the wolves in the lower 48, so they need to be managed and that is where the big fight will be because all sides will not agree on what 'managed' means. They are here now and aren't going away, even though though the way they were introduced likely killed off what was left of the natvive wolf population (unbelievable that the Feds allowed this to happen). I believe this may clearly show a philosophical and political anti-hunting and anti-second ammendment, anti-ranching, anti-grazing on federal land bent by the Feds. Clearly, if you introduce an apex predator of this type, even killing off native subspecies in the process, your goal is not about some lofty ideal of bringing a native animal back to its native habitat. So what is the goal? It is just incredibly unfortunate that the information mentioned in my link above wasn't followed through on by was apparently ignored by the Feds. Listen to this link and you might start to understand why the 'Feds' have the bent they often have now: [ame="http://vimeo.com/28939194"]Crying Wolf - Jim Beers: The Demise of Conservation on Vimeo[/ame] Like someone else said, if the ESA was taken this far and so obviously abused for political/philosophical gain, what's to keep us from bringing back sabre tooth tigers, once the understanding and technology exists? Hmmm...? When that occurs, you can bet there will be arguments made for just that based on the ESA. [/QUOTE]
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