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<blockquote data-quote="QuietTexan" data-source="post: 2445345" data-attributes="member: 116181"><p>Agree, I was trying to show were people making arbitrary decisions slot in and that, knowingly or unknowingly, they are making a decision that could be influenced if they did real testing here and looked at the results.</p><p></p><p>While I understand (and sometimes do) pick an arbitrary point to start, I admit that I'm skipping a step that I can't just tweak later, and would have to start over to adjust.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah me too. Might seem facile to say well of course seating comes first because otherwise there's no bullet to hold the powder in, but in reality there's a lot of work that goes into initial coarse seating depth decisions. </p><p></p><p>There's a lot of short cuts and bits of folksy wisdom also, but it's annoying when someone comes to me and says "X bullet just don't shoot!" and when I ask about seating they're moving in 0.001" increments back from whatever their random mag length is and they're mad about wasting components. Finding where a bullet DOES shoot well is important before claiming it just won't, and sometimes that takes doing things you "know for sure just won't work". Won't shoot in general and "won't at the place I need it to" are two very different things. </p><p></p><p>Nosler ABLRs are like this IMO, a lot of guys "couldn't get them to work", but all it took for me was seating them to book COL and the groups shrunk by 200% compared to 0.010" off the lands. More interesting was this was in a 300 RUM so I was seating the bullet way down in the case with the base past the shoulder, so multiple levels of conventional wisdom were disproved by doing coarse seating depth testing first. The 210gn ABLR is a great bullet in my rifle.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="QuietTexan, post: 2445345, member: 116181"] Agree, I was trying to show were people making arbitrary decisions slot in and that, knowingly or unknowingly, they are making a decision that could be influenced if they did real testing here and looked at the results. While I understand (and sometimes do) pick an arbitrary point to start, I admit that I'm skipping a step that I can't just tweak later, and would have to start over to adjust. Yeah me too. Might seem facile to say well of course seating comes first because otherwise there's no bullet to hold the powder in, but in reality there's a lot of work that goes into initial coarse seating depth decisions. There's a lot of short cuts and bits of folksy wisdom also, but it's annoying when someone comes to me and says "X bullet just don't shoot!" and when I ask about seating they're moving in 0.001" increments back from whatever their random mag length is and they're mad about wasting components. Finding where a bullet DOES shoot well is important before claiming it just won't, and sometimes that takes doing things you "know for sure just won't work". Won't shoot in general and "won't at the place I need it to" are two very different things. Nosler ABLRs are like this IMO, a lot of guys "couldn't get them to work", but all it took for me was seating them to book COL and the groups shrunk by 200% compared to 0.010" off the lands. More interesting was this was in a 300 RUM so I was seating the bullet way down in the case with the base past the shoulder, so multiple levels of conventional wisdom were disproved by doing coarse seating depth testing first. The 210gn ABLR is a great bullet in my rifle. [/QUOTE]
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