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Scope Selection for new LR Rifle
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<blockquote data-quote="BountyHunter" data-source="post: 190277" data-attributes="member: 12"><p>Guess I will throw in a couple points and thoughts.</p><p> </p><p>1. Darrel Hollands ART reticle on the Leupolds with 24 MOA in dots is pretty nice.</p><p> </p><p>2. Kenton Industries makes custom BDC knobs for a variety of scopes.</p><p> </p><p>3. BDC type reticles such as the Holland ART, Nikon BDC, Swarovski/Kahle TDS, Leupl Boone and Crocket and VArminter, MP8, MP2 etc are faster and just as accurate out to about 600-800 yards as clicks.</p><p> </p><p>It does not matter whether you have clicks or a BDC after that distance. Weather, pressure, angle, temp etc play into the picture and both scopes users better have a PDA to get accurate current data otherwise your just clicking in a "miss" many times if you click. </p><p> </p><p>To use BDCs you have to be smarter than the scope, and do a little preplanning and work for your exact POIs and not get confused on multiple aiming points. Not everyone can keep that straight. Now if that is not the case then single aim point and clicks are the way.</p><p> </p><p>The same PDA can give you the new exact POI for the BDC types just as fast, so BDCs are absolutely no less accurate than clicks up to the max range of the BDC points. An exact POI data is the same for a click scope as a BDC, so one is not more accurate than the other up to the limits of the BDC ranges with your cartridge. After that clicks wins for sure.</p><p> </p><p>The 3-9 TDS for example with a 300 WSM and 168 TSX is good for around 700, the 6-18x TDS with 300 Hart, 180 Interbond @ 3200 fps will go to almost 900, no clicking.</p><p> </p><p>Where we hunt big MO whitetails, we can have shots out to 600-800 with only a chance on a deer making a short stop in order to get a shot off. No time to range, dial in a bunch of clicks and then shoot. Range, look at BDC POIs taped on gun and shoot when he stops. This is after we have done new POIs with local conditions and confirm zeros.</p><p> </p><p>Now I have guns set up with the BDC reticles, BDC knobs and lots of MOA and I also have the PDA so I can do any of the above, just depends on which shot presents itself and how fast I have to work and that gives me the absolute best of both worlds. Something to think about.</p><p> </p><p>Hmmm, 4-14 /6-20 Leup with Holland ART or Leupold Varmint reticle and Kenton knobs, or a Swarovski with TDS are both very good combos and the ART can be clicks also.</p><p> </p><p>BH</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BountyHunter, post: 190277, member: 12"] Guess I will throw in a couple points and thoughts. 1. Darrel Hollands ART reticle on the Leupolds with 24 MOA in dots is pretty nice. 2. Kenton Industries makes custom BDC knobs for a variety of scopes. 3. BDC type reticles such as the Holland ART, Nikon BDC, Swarovski/Kahle TDS, Leupl Boone and Crocket and VArminter, MP8, MP2 etc are faster and just as accurate out to about 600-800 yards as clicks. It does not matter whether you have clicks or a BDC after that distance. Weather, pressure, angle, temp etc play into the picture and both scopes users better have a PDA to get accurate current data otherwise your just clicking in a "miss" many times if you click. To use BDCs you have to be smarter than the scope, and do a little preplanning and work for your exact POIs and not get confused on multiple aiming points. Not everyone can keep that straight. Now if that is not the case then single aim point and clicks are the way. The same PDA can give you the new exact POI for the BDC types just as fast, so BDCs are absolutely no less accurate than clicks up to the max range of the BDC points. An exact POI data is the same for a click scope as a BDC, so one is not more accurate than the other up to the limits of the BDC ranges with your cartridge. After that clicks wins for sure. The 3-9 TDS for example with a 300 WSM and 168 TSX is good for around 700, the 6-18x TDS with 300 Hart, 180 Interbond @ 3200 fps will go to almost 900, no clicking. Where we hunt big MO whitetails, we can have shots out to 600-800 with only a chance on a deer making a short stop in order to get a shot off. No time to range, dial in a bunch of clicks and then shoot. Range, look at BDC POIs taped on gun and shoot when he stops. This is after we have done new POIs with local conditions and confirm zeros. Now I have guns set up with the BDC reticles, BDC knobs and lots of MOA and I also have the PDA so I can do any of the above, just depends on which shot presents itself and how fast I have to work and that gives me the absolute best of both worlds. Something to think about. Hmmm, 4-14 /6-20 Leup with Holland ART or Leupold Varmint reticle and Kenton knobs, or a Swarovski with TDS are both very good combos and the ART can be clicks also. BH [/QUOTE]
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