Scope lab test

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  1. sierra22

    sierra22 Well-Known Member

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    Scope lab test
    Swedish magazine Vapentidningen no 6/2004 has printed a consumer lab test for riflescopes suitable for hunting at dusk/dawn.
    Their conclusion is that the German/Austrian scopes are by far the best, but the leap from the cheaper US scopes are smaller today than it was at the last test 7 years ago.
    Aerotech Telub lab did the scientific testing using spektrofotometers, broad spectral lamps and kolliminators.

    The scopes were tested for field of sight, eye relief, "tube effect", ergonomy, click adjustment accuracy, impact change with change of magnification, sharpness and contrast, light transmission, reflexes, twilight performance.

    A short summary of the results below.
     
  2. sierra22

    sierra22 Well-Known Member

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    Test result (some of it)
    Scope name
    B resolution (max 10)
    C colour & contrast (max 10)
    D anti-reflex (max 5+5)
    E light transmission (max 10)
    F twilight performance (max 10)
    G overall test result (including all test results, not just the ones I've printed. Max possible 78)

    Remember, this is a lab test, not some testers subjective opinion.

    BSA Big cat 3,5-10x: B3 C3 D5 E6 F3 G44
    BURRIS FULLFIELD II 3,5-10X: B10 C7 D6 E9 F7 G58
    DOCTER 3-12X: B7 C8 D8 E8 F7 G60
    KAHLES CB 3-12: B6 C8 D8 E9 F8 G62
    LEUPOLD VXIII 3,5-10X:B7 C7 D8 E8 F6 G60
    MEOPTA ARTEMIS 3000 3-12X: B7 C7 D7 E7 F7 G57
    MEOPTA ARTEMIS 2000 3-12X: B6 C7 D7 E7 F6 G55
    MICRO DOT 2,3-10X: B7 C6 D7 E8 F7 G58
    NICKEL GERHARDT 3-12X: B9 C8 D8 E9 F9 G66
    NIGHTFORCE NP1 3,5-15X: B9 C6 D9 E8 F7 G60
    OXO ONTARIO 3-9X: B3 C3 D4 E6 F2 G39
    PECAR 4-10X: B5 C6 D6 E8 F5 G46
    SCHMIDT UND BENDER ZENITH 2,5-10X: B7 C8 D9 E9 F9 G65
    SCHMIDT UND BENDER 2,5-10X: B9 C8 D8 E9 F9 G66
    SHIRSTONE GOLD 4-12X: B5 C5 D5 E7 F5 G47
    SWAROVSKI HABICT 3-12X: B9 C9 D8 E9 F10 G68
    TASCO TITAN 3-12X: B5 C6 D6 E7 F4 G49
    TRIJICON ACCUPOINT 2,5-10X: B8 C6 D8 E9 F8 G64
    ZEISS DIAVARI Z T 3-12X: B10 C10 D10 E9 F10 G72
    ZEISS VARIPOINT V 3-12X: B9 C10 D10 E9 F9 G70
    ZEISS DIAVARI V 3-12X: B10 C10 D10 E9 F10 G73
     

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    Would have liked to see how the USO stacked up against the competition
     
  4. Mysticplayer

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    Pity that this test did not include any better Japanese glass.

    I am impressed with the results of the Burris. It does agree with what I have seen with this inexpensive scope. You get a lot for your money. The scope performs where it matters: resolutions, and light transmission. Not sure how you can a 9 in light transmission then a 7 in twilight performance????

    This test again highlights that Luppies are really behind the curve. The VXIII is considered high end. Not so according to these results.

    Pretty easy to conclude that German/Austrian glass is tops when only moderate to low NA scopes were compared, no Japanese products, and almost all the scopes are German/Austrian/Swiss.

    Were there more scopes in this survey?

    Sort of like saying that a pushrod V8 won the Nextel cup. Really...

    Jerry
     
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    Sorry, the 23 scopes listed are those tested.

    I guess they borrowed their scopes from the engros dealers, and the scopes tested are those the dealers want to sell.

    I sure would've liked to see more Leo series, Nikons, Leicas and the Zeiss Conquests tested.

    And I'm GUESSING that light transmission and twilight performance is different because the wavelenght of the light changes as you get a slightly different spectrum in low light. Again, I'm GUESSING, any correction is welcome.

    The same magazine did a test of about 6-24x scopes about half a year ago, but they didn't use a science lab for that test. However, the brands stocked up basically the same way as in this test with the Swaros and Zeiss' at the top.

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  6. big_g270

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    sierra22,

    Thanks for posting the tests. Very interesting info.

    What was objective size of the scopes tested?
     
  7. Mysticplayer

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    Without knowing what they measured and how, the twilight factor is not relevant.

    Many scope and binocular manufacturers use a twilight factor that is a mathematical measure of objective lense ratio to magnification. Basically, a worthless measurement as any optic with the same obj and mag has the same twilight factor.

    Doesn't take into account coatings, lense quality, etc. Unless you can say for sure, that may be where this is coming from.

    Light transmission is a measure of all wavelengths in normal 'white' light. With the right meter, you are comparing the difference between entry and exit light.

    If an optical device has near 100% light transmission, it will have better low light performance then an optical device with lower light transmission. We don't see in the infra red, so that is of little interest.

    Look at the S&B Zenith. Rated with a 7 for light transmission (assume that is measured) but a 9 for twilight factor. My guess is this is a large objective scope.

    The burris has a 10 for light tranmission but only a 7 for twilight factor. Doesn't make any sense.

    The only results that have any value to me are the resolution (how you measure that is beyond me), anti-reflection (assume a measure of flare), and light tranmission.

    Colour and contrast don't really matter as we are not 'glassing' with a scope and really don't care of our deer looks perfectly grey brown or just brown. We just need to be able to see it.

    The twilight factor is probably not a measured rating so subjective thus worthless.

    The overall test result is also worthless without knowing what else was being tested and how they were weighted in the final result.

    Without the test parameters, levels of error and methodology of the tests, we could be still reading a subjective study of products most likey to sell in someone's store.

    Sorry, to come across as a poison pill but I feel that any review or comparison posted here should give all reading accurate info.

    I am glad that the Burris rated higher then just about all the scopes in light transmission and resolution. Goes to show that you don't need to spend enormous amounts of funds to get a good quality product.

    Jerry
     
  8. Jeff In TX

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    Interesting results between Burris and the Leupold.

    The Burris scope out scored or was even with the Leupold in all categories except anti-relex (burris 6, leuy 8). The burris scope scoped a perfect 10 on resolution and Leupold scored a 7. But the overall score for the Leuopld was 60 and Burris got a 58.

    I'd like to know how the scoring is done. Burris had 39 points and Leupold 36 not including the over all score.

    But it agrees with what I've said. Leupold's best is just mediocre now.

    I would have liked to have seen IOR's results.
     
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    I'm sorry but this is laughable,what do you expect the EURO's to say that something made in the U.S.A. is better than a euro product,not going to happen. It would be like John Kerry doing a review of the Democrats VS Republicans you allready know who wins just by the author.
    B
     
  10. herbeapuce

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    Hi sierra2s, I know I'm pushing my luck here ....., I'm very interested in this scope testing ....any chance you could post the entire test result? some of the fundamentals are missing and are probably of great importance.
    thanks
    herb.
     
  11. Guest

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    More information required. Results are pretty worthless as presented.

    I.E. Objective size.
    I.E. Eye Relief
    I.E. Year of scope production
    Too bad the data isn't complete.

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  12. sierra22

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    Incredible that such a post can generate such hostility. If I were trying to pushing my own products I would understand it, but when providing general reference????

    The test and description of the test criterias runs over 10 typed pages, so there’s a bit too much work to translate all of that and post them on this forum (sorry herbeapuce,jeffintx and bigg270). However, I will post the scoring scales. Any further questions regarding the test can be adressed Vapentidningen as I have no interest defending it. Swedes are bi-langual, sp english emails will be understood.

    Field of view at 100m
    0-5m 0 points
    5-6m 1 point
    6-7m 2 points
    7m+ 3 points
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    Eye relief
    0-6cm 0 points
    6-8cm 1 point
    8-10 2 points
    10+ 3 points
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    Tube effect
    Sight picture severly disturbed by tube effect at all magnifications: 0 points
    Sight picture severly disturbed at lowest magnification, disturbed at highest: 1 point
    Sight picture distusturbed at all magnifications: 2 points
    Sight picture disturbed only at lowest magnification: 3 points
    Sight picture not disturbed: 4 points
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    Ergonomy
    Magnification ring turns smooth and even: 1 point
    Possible to read magnification marking in the dark: 1 point
    Quick and smooth focusing: 1 point
    Possible to click scope without tools: 1 point
    Click adjustment easy to feel: 1 point
    Good markings on all adjustments: 1 point
    Indication of scope center: 1 point
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    Sight adjustment
    Click adjustment deviation in percent
    100-50% 0 points
    50-20% 1 point
    20-5% 2 points
    5-1% 3 points
    0% 4 points

    Adjustment range at 100m
    0-50cm 0 points
    50-100cm 1 point
    100-200cm 2 points
    200-300cm 3 points
    300cm+ 4 points
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    Change of impact with magnification at 100m
    5cm+ 0 points
    5-1cm 1 point
    1cm- 2points
    Nil 3points
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    Resolution and contrast
    Field testing, can/cannot see various targets, details and colours under equal conditions and settings
    Resolution 0-10 points
    Contrast 0-10 points
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    Anti reflex
    Under equal conditions and settings with light source facing the objective

    Lenses
    Not able to see through scope: 0 points
    Sight picture is white, difficult to aim: 1 point
    Sight picture is white, but aiming possible: 2 points
    Sight picture a little white: 3 points
    Sight picture good, but without contrast or colour: 4 points
    Sight picture not affected: 5 points

    Reticule
    Not able to use the reticule: 0 points
    Severe shadows and reflexes on it: 1 point
    Shadows and reflexes on it: 2 points
    A little shiny: 3 points
    Sharp but mis-coloured: 4 points
    Sharp and black: 5 points
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    Light transmission at 500-550 nm (twilight light)
    Please note that scopes can transmit other wavelengt light better

    0-10% 0 points
    10-30% 1 point
    30-40% 2 points
    40-50% 3 points
    50-60% 4 points
    60-70% 5 points
    70-80% 6 points
    80-85% 7 points
    85-90% 8 points
    90-95% 9 points
    95-100% 10 points
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    Twilight performance
    Light were progressively reduced and scopes where excluded when it was no longer possible to determine target/crosshairs. Lighted reticules were not used. Scopes where used at all magnifications. Scopes where scored 0 to 10 points according to how little light it was possible to use it in.
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    Scopes tested:
    BSA big cat 3,5-10x42
    Burris fullfield II 3,5-10x50
    Bushnell elite 4200 2,5-10x40
    Docter 3-12x56
    Kahles cb 3-12x56
    Leupold XIII 3.5-10x50
    Meopta artemis 2000 3-12x50
    Meopta artemis 3000 3-12x56
    Micro Dot 2.5-10x56
    Nickel gerhardt 3-12x56
    Nightforce np1 3.5-15x56
    OXO ontario 3-9x56
    Pecar 4-10x56
    S&B Zenith 2.5-10x56
    S&B 2.5-10x56
    Shirstone Gold 4-12x58
    Shirstone Gold 3-10x56
    Swarovski Habict 2.5-10x56
    Tasco Titan 3-12x52
    Trijicon accupoint 2.5-10x56
    Zeiss diavari z 3-12x56
    Zeiss varipoint v 3-12x56
    Zeiss diavari v 3-12x56

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  13. Len Backus

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    sierra

    Thanks for your effort!

    My mother's maiden name is Quale and her grandfather's name was Finsnes (sp?). I understand there is a town in Norway with that name?
     
  14. big_g270

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    sierra22

    Thanks for the added info!