Savage LRH problem

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by rickdavis81, Sep 9, 2013.

  1. rickdavis81

    rickdavis81 Well-Known Member

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    Went to mount my EGW 1 piece base on my new Savage LRH tonight to test fit it before I bedded it to the action. Screws went in a little bit and got tight with a big gap before the base was even snug. Removed the screws and the ends looked like the hole wasn't drilled big enough before being tapped. Tried some extra screws with the same results. Not sure if the tap wasn't ran in far enough or hole wasn't drilled big enough. Either way I have to call Savage tomorrow and send it back. I'm sure they'll make it right just sucks to have to part with it before shooting it.
     
  2. rinodods

    rinodods Well-Known Member

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    That sounds pretty crazy. The only issue some have is the front screw is long and hits the threads of the barrel before it gets tight. The others have nothing bottom out on. Sounds like the tap didn't make it all the way through if they go in at all. Sorry to hear you'll have to postpone using the toy. gun)

    Update: Thinking about it I've never tried to run a screw all the way through but I could have sworn they were threaded all the way through.
     

  3. SidecarFlip

    SidecarFlip Well-Known Member

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    Before sending it back, keep in mind you only need 2 full thread turns (360 degrees, 2 revolutions) to fully engage the screw to the receiver at the prevailing torque value for an EGW rail. Don't sound like much engagement but keep in mind that you have 3 screws engaging the receiver.

    Having said that, there has been some issues (according to Broz ((Jeff) with EGW rails bedding properly and egg shaped mounting holes and late model rails. I have an EGW on a 4 year old 338 that I had/have no issues with but there are better quality rails out there. Bruce Talley makes them, so does Nightforce and Ken Farrell.

    You will find the EGW rails looks nice but it's soft aluminum.

    Remove the rail, start the screws and it you get 2 full turns, it's good to go. If the screws are too long, shorten them or go to your LGD and get shorter screws. Shortening the screws can be an issue if you don't allow for thread lead. Without proper lead and chamfer, they won't thread into the holes in the receiver properly, if at all.

    Farrell makes a nice rail with a milled in bottm slot for epoxy. I used blue threadlocker under my rail and on the screws as well...
     
  4. rickdavis81

    rickdavis81 Well-Known Member

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    The front two holes are blind holes, the rear 2 are all the way thru. The base holes don't look oblong and everything lines up right. It's just mangling the screws. I could shorten them or install shorter ones and get my 2 turns of engagement but it won't be right and I won't be happy.
     
  5. Nimrodmar10

    Nimrodmar10 Well-Known Member

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    Why not just get a set of 6-48 taps from Brownells and re-run the threads. I usually do it on base mounting holes anyway to clean out the threads of left over shavings. Use the bottoming tap for the blind holes and the starting or regular tap for the through holes.
     
  6. rinodods

    rinodods Well-Known Member

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    It would be pretty cheap and much faster than a return.
     
  7. Nimrodmar10

    Nimrodmar10 Well-Known Member

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    I got a new Remington 700 XCR Long Range Tactical 300 WM straight from Remington today. When I tried to mount the Nightforce base, none of the screws wanted to start. They did not have filler screws, so I figured they got junk in them when the stainless action was coated with their version of Ceracoat. Got out my 6-48 taps and ran it through the four holes. There was no way you could have gotten a screw in them, as they were. Re-tap then easy peasy, NXS scope mounted and ready to start barrel break in tomorrow. Everyone needs a set of taps for this reason. Cheap insurance against a broken off base screw.
     
  8. Greyfox

    Greyfox Well-Known Member

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    I have a few Savages and they all have blind screw holes. It appears to be in the design, not a manufacturing issue. I have had no issues filing about .020" off the end of the base screws for a secure mount. I don't understand why Savage does this.
     
  9. rickdavis81

    rickdavis81 Well-Known Member

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    Thought about just ordering a tap. But anytime I make a small order from midway it turns into a large order :D called savage, said they'd have UPS pick it up at my house and fix it and return it. The kicker is a 4 week turnaround time. I'm just going to order a tap. Like everyone said. It'll be handy to have around.
     
  10. SidecarFlip

    SidecarFlip Well-Known Member

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    I scratch my head sometimes.... Why would anyone get perishable tooling from a place like Midway when it's available from a real tooling supplier like MSC, or Production Tool or even Enco where you have a choice in manufacturers and can get what you want for less plus get American made (not that the Midway stuff isn't but then they don't state country of orign).

    Besides, what fit class is the tap? It's not stated (I looked). Taps come in fit classes. A fit class is the difference between the major diameter and the root diameter and dictates how tight the mating component engages the thread helix.

    Taps normally come in 3 designs, taper, plug and bottoming and I usually get 2 of the 3, taper and plug. A plug tap can be modified to become a bvottoming tap by simply grinding off the base a bit.

    Not trying to be critical, just offering alternatives. Again, 2 complete turns of engagement is all that is required...and, on some receivers, not all holes are blind, some are through so one needs to be cognizant that on a through hole, it's easy to run the screw head completely through the receiver and become an interference fit with the bolt, which, don't work.
     
  11. rickdavis81

    rickdavis81 Well-Known Member

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    I realize there are different classes of thread engagements. I'm by no means a master machinist but machining and fabrication work are a part of my job. I'm choosing to order the tap from midway for the simple ease of it. Not sure if its cheaper somewhere else, but shipping wouldn't be when that's all I need from msc but will order other needed items from midway. I'm not getting 2 turns of engagement. I'm barely getting one. The only reason I considered sending it to Savage was because I don't like my new stuff to not be right from the get go. But I don't like a 4 week wait either.
     
  12. SidecarFlip

    SidecarFlip Well-Known Member

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    In today's marketplace, most manufactured items aren't 'excatly the way you want them'.

    I would consider a different rail other than the EGW, like a Nightforce or Ken Farrel.

    I have an EGW 20 MOA on one of my firearms but quality wise there are better options out there, for a price of course.