Savage action questions

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  1. landcbeitner

    landcbeitner Well-Known Member

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    I tried some searching but haven't found the answer to my question yet so here goes... I was in the process of gathering parts to build a 338 Lapua Magnum off a Savage long action.

    I contacted Lothar Walther about having a barrel made and they said that the Savage action has been sucessfully used for 338 Lapua many times but I would need the Large Shank action to build in this caliber. The action I have for the build is of course standard shank. So I started searching for a large shank action/rifle. They are quite abundant in Short actions but I'm having difficulty locating a long action with large shank.

    I have contacted Shilen to see if they have any imput on the subject and am awaiting a reply. I've heard that guys have built ultra mags on standard shanks and some have had issues with the barrel nut on large shanks. Another question is if anyone knows weather or not I can have my smith cut large shank threads into my standard action (if memory serves there wasn't a ton of extra material there)

    The other issue I have is that the ejector for the WSM/RUM bolt face is in the reciever. I am unfamiliar with this as all my rifles have the ejector in the bolt face. Is there any way to install an ejector into the reciever of a standard action?

    I apologise about asking so many questions and taxing the system here. I'm definately getting out more than I'm putting into this forum. Please bear with me if some of the questions are amature or ignorant, I've only put a few of these rifles together and have never changed from one bolt face to another before. Thanks for all your help.

    Lucas Beitner
     
  2. Boss Hoss

    Boss Hoss Well-Known Member

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    Lucas------why not sell the Savage and go with the Stiller that is specifically made for the Lapua.. Just a thought as I have several 338 Lapua Improved on actions from the Stiller Python to the Mark V.. Their is a Stiller sitting in my safe that will be the ELK gun I am going to put together.. Just a thought..
     

  3. geargrinder

    geargrinder Well-Known Member

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    The way to get a long action/ large shank is to find a RUM action. They are around bet getting tough to find. But, I don't think that the shank size is going to be the big problem. It's going to be getting the correct bolt face. Savage never made a bolt face larger than the magnum. You can't just toss them in the lathe and open them up like a Remington either. I have heard that they have been modified to work but it wasn't easy.

    If you are dead set on the Lapua, I would agree with Boss Hoss and find a more appropriate action.

    If your willing to bend a bit, the choices are many. You could chamber any of the ultras, even the 338 edge. It doesn't matter large shank or small shank. I even know that AJ Peacock on here is running an ultra in his short action Savage. He just has to pull the bolt to get a loaded round out.

    Sorry, no easy answer.
     
  4. landcbeitner

    landcbeitner Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the info guys, I completely understand there's no easy answer. The problem for me switching to another action is that I then have to use my gun smith to do more of the work. I love to put rifles together myself, that's why I have been buying nothing but Savage for the last few years. I showed my smith the bolt face (I bought one for wsm/rum) and he said he can open it no problem, but I didn't know about the ejector then. He's a pretty crafty fellow so maybe he can figure something out. He's always encouraged me to continue building as much of the rifles as I can (I guess he isn't hurting for work) he's working on one of my remingtons now. I may have to use some Stiller actions in the future, I was looking at them on 6mmbr.com and they look very nice. I may just have to build a different caliber altogether as suggested, I've been wanting a 7wsm anyway. Thanks again.
     
  5. geargrinder

    geargrinder Well-Known Member

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    I did a bit more research. All you need to do is find a Savage bolt head that was for the Lazeroni's. It used a .577" vs. the wsm/rum .532". That wouldn't take much to make the Lapua fit.
     
  6. James H

    James H Well-Known Member

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    Lucas
    I don't know if he still does, but at one time Sharp Shooter supply offered Savage boltheads for the .338 Lapua case.
    James
     
  7. landcbeitner

    landcbeitner Well-Known Member

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    Thanks guys, I'll check out those leads.:D
     
  8. James Jones

    James Jones Well-Known Member

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    I think Kirby Allen has built a few Lapua case based rifles on Savages.

    The only reason you would need a large shank Savage over the samll shank is if your dead set on using the barrel nut system. , Personaly I'd have the barrel installed like the Remington does , its much better for both strength and accuracy.
     
  9. 338hammer

    338hammer Well-Known Member

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    Savage Action

    savagegunsmithing.com/Scott Null charges $75. as I recall to do the machining to cut the threads out of your action and re-thread to the large shank. I just converted a Striker to 338WSM. Very nice work and very reasonable. You will also need to change the bolt head.

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  10. Spook

    Spook Well-Known Member

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    Large shank uses barrel nut as well, as far as the barrel nut producing a weaker receiver/barrel union?? or contributing to inaccuracy?? Ahem ,I gotta throw the flag on this one.......and ask you to prove it.
     
  11. landcbeitner

    landcbeitner Well-Known Member

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    I was wondering if that was a possibility. My smith is fairly reasonably priced, I'll see how much he'd want to do it. Thanks for the info, and thanks to everyone.
     
  12. 338hammer

    338hammer Well-Known Member

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    You are very welcome: if you go to mcgowenbarrel.com(google it) and click on trophy. Look at the little lady and the three targets she shot with her red/white/blue Striker. The center target is 6 shots, two different bullets, two different loads at 100 yards both loads shoot .5 at 200 from that handgun.

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  13. landcbeitner

    landcbeitner Well-Known Member

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    Nice :D
     
  14. comfisherman

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    savage 375

    I would be willing to be that savages new 375 would have not only a long action but also a large shank. I may be wrong but I would hazard to guess that they will use the larger shank. If memory serves me correctly buds guns sells them for 600 and some change. I bet you could part with the barrel on ebay and come in around 500 for a long stainless savage action.

    I have submitted a petition for a 375 h&h to the wife and have got one ok'ed for this fall. I figure it would be a good basis for a 338 edge.