Savage 112 barrel question (action length?)

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  1. AJ Peacock

    AJ Peacock Well-Known Member

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    Guys,

    I see that Shilen and others sell all sorts of barrels for the savage. Lets say I had a short action savage (308) and wanted to put a barrel on it that was a long action (same bolt face, like the 30-06, 280 Rem etc.). If I where using it single shot and didn't mind pulling the bolt to unload a loaded round, would this work? Or am I missing something?

    As far as bolt faces are concerned, I'm just looking at a shell-holder chart and assuming if they use the same reloading shell holder, then they have the same bolt face (am I OK with that assumption?)

    Thanks,
    AJ
     
  2. HRstretch

    HRstretch Well-Known Member

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    try asking your question here:
    Savage Shooters

    They can help as well as using the search for old post.
     

  3. AJ Peacock

    AJ Peacock Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, didn't know that existed (and didn't think about looking elsewhere, as I'm on this site so often).

    Thanks
    AJ
     
  4. TAC

    TAC Well-Known Member

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    AJ-

    The answer to your question is yes, you can use a short action with a 284 case. As you have already guessed, if you load heavy bullets you may have problems unloading live rounds (not a big issue with a single shot). Additionally, you can shorten you bolt stop to give yourself a little more clearance.


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  5. AJ Peacock

    AJ Peacock Well-Known Member

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    TAC,

    Thanks for the info. Specifically, I'm thinking about picking up a 300WSM savage. I'll probably turn it into a single shot and wanted to know if I would be limited to only SA rounds (I guess the answer is no). Also, I've done some more reading and I guess the bolt face is easily swapped out as well?? Is that done easily without need of special tools?

    Thanks,
    AJ
     
  6. winmagman

    winmagman Well-Known Member

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    AJ

    A few things to keep in mind with a project like this.

    1) Savage has two different thread sizes out there, be sure you order the right size for the reciever you have. If your getting a newer WSM it should be a large shank, as are most, but they did make some of the earlier ones with the small barrel shank.

    2)If you have a push feed action you can not simply switch to a controled feed (WSM) bolt head. You will wind up without and ejector. Push feeds have the ejector in the bolt head where as the controled feed have a mechanical tab that pops up on the back left inside of the action when the bolt is cycled, this kicks out the empty case.

    I don't think you can go the other way either. The controled feed bolt heads have a slot machined into the bottom left side. This allows the aforementioned ejector tab to pop up without binding on the bolt head. Even if it is possible to go controled feed to push feed, you will wind up with what amounts to two ejectors in your action. When you use the .473 bolt head I'm not sure if the controlled feed ejector will interfere or not, but if it does it could be easily removed. (part of trigger hanger assembly)

    Hope that makes some kind of sense.
    Just trying to help you avoid some pitfals I've experienced.

    P.S. Not 100% certain of all the above, but would highly recommend checking with a competent smith before getting rolling.

    Chris
     
  7. winmagman

    winmagman Well-Known Member

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    AJ

    Did some double checking on the Savages I've got. Both controlled feed bolt heads I have do have the slot in the bottom to allow the ejector to work. Still may work but I honestly don't know for sure.

    If this is the round you want to do in a single shot, all is not lost.

    First get a Savage with the large barrel shank that has a push feed bolt in it. A small shank will work but some barrel makers are uncomfortable chambering a WSM on a small shank.

    Second pick up a magnum push feed bolt head from Midway or wherever. You'll need a little smith work for this next step.

    The back of the shaft on a Savage SA bolt head had a small indent milled into it to fit around a tab on the inside of the bolt body. The magnum bolt head does not have this indent and will not fit into the bolt body until the indent is put in. I had Chris Mattews do one like this for a Savage Striker that I converted from a 22-250 to a 6.5 wssm in single shot. It was under $75 for bolt head, shipping, and labor. It will eject WSM/SAUM case just fine, however with the wssm cases it's not real reliable, cases are just to darn short.

    With the above done you have the original .473 bolt head and a .532 bolt head, with those two you have about 80% of the centerfire cartridges out there covered. Could also add a .378 bolt head and reall expand your options.:D

    Chris
     
  8. AJ Peacock

    AJ Peacock Well-Known Member

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    Chris,

    I just bought a 12fvss in 300WSM (26" fluted barrel). (gun broker)

    I've always wanted to play with the WSM and the .30 will be a good one to play with. I figure I'll stiffen up the stock, lighten up the trigger and attempt to wear the barrel out this winter/spring.

    Then I'll re-barrel with something that will really stand up to a lot of shooting (maybe even a straight old 308 Win).

    I'll get a tactical stock to make it feel a bit like my 338AM from a feel perspective and be able to get into 'shooting shape' again.

    Its amazing how important trigger time is, and I purchased this rifle with that in mind. I got the 12, because the accu-trigger on the varmint is supposed to go down to 1 1/2 lbs.

    Thanks for the info, now I just need to find some good articles on what it takes to swap calibers (bolt heads/barrels).

    Thanks again,

    AJ
     
  9. Dead Beat

    Dead Beat Well-Known Member

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    AJ get a hold of fred at sharp shooters supply he is the guru smith for the savages he can anser any question about savages and a nice guy to deal with
    i put together MODEL 12 bvss in 308 win in a russo a5 laminate stock for the same reason you want! alot of trigger time cheap to shoot. as i put my first 300 rum true long range rig together

    JIM
     
  10. radnur22

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    stock

    i just ordered a stockade tactical stock for my 338 edge/savage build that Kirby will be doing for me. nice thing about the stock is, i purchased a money saver out of mold stock which requires sanding. filling and painting. since i like tinkering, it saved me $130.
     
  11. eddybo

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    AJ,
    I dont know if this is what your interested in, but since I was out getting some trigger time with my 12 in .308 I decided to measure the longest COL that could be ejected. The closest I can figure is 3.13 which is around .17 or so shorter than SAMMI length for a 6.5x284. It appears that a relief could be milled into the front of the ejection port that could give you more length to eject longer rounds.(kinda like on a stiller predator) I dont know how much you could gain by shortening the bolt stop, but it appears that you could gain enough with that relief cut and shortening the bolt stop to eject a sammi length 284 based round.( I dont know how feasible that relief cut would be, but I have seen rem 700s with that same modicication)
     
  12. AJ Peacock

    AJ Peacock Well-Known Member

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    Eddybo,

    It would be nice to have a complete list of what cartridges would eject empties from a SA

    AJ
     
  13. WSmitty01

    WSmitty01 Well-Known Member

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    Since you plan on rebarreling anyway, why not just buy the long action in any non-magnum caliber and be able to eject anything you want frrom 308 to longer calibers,,,they aso work fine with short cases.
     
  14. AJ Peacock

    AJ Peacock Well-Known Member

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    I might end up doing that as well. I found a good deal on a 300wsm and since it is one of the calibers I've been wanting to play around with, I just bought it.

    You know how buying rifles goes, you like the idea of something and before you know it, you need another gun safe ;-)

    Thanks,
    AJ