RUM based longrange caliber choice.

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  1. LongBomber

    LongBomber Well-Known Member

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    I just got a good deal on a used 300rum (sendero) with a shot out barrel. The guy was shooting 130gr tsx with stout loads at barrel burning speeds...

    So this is going to be the base for my next project. I was thinking of either going 338edge, 375 or possibly a 408-416. I was wondering which would be the better choice for a longrange hunting rifle.

    Opinions??
     
  2. Slopeshunter

    Slopeshunter Well-Known Member

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    I'm eventually going to rebarrel my 300rum to 338edge AI.
     

  3. Long Time Long Ranger

    Long Time Long Ranger Well-Known Member

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    I would do either the 300 ultramag or the 338 ultramag. You will see hardly any difference between the 338 and the 338-300 ultramag but the 338 will feed better, easier to reload and you can buy bullets over the counter when your on a far away hunt. The 300 will shoot a quality big game bullet like the 200 accubond with a .588 BC at 3200 fps. That is really hard to beat for an all around rifle. You really couldn't go wrong with any choice off the ultramag case or the 340 weatherby. All are just splitting hairs.
     
  4. AJ Peacock

    AJ Peacock Well-Known Member

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    Depending on how long of barrel you want to use, 338RUM or 338Edge. Everyone says the 338RUM and Edge are essentially equivalent, however 100fps is there for the taking, why not do it? The 338RUM die's are easier to find.

    Unless you plan on loosing your ammo in some far away place and are going to buy ammo and shoot short range instead (since your drop chart will not work with factory ammo); there is no down side to the Edge.

    AJ
     
  5. LongBomber

    LongBomber Well-Known Member

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    I already have 300rum that I use for longrange hunting, I use the 200gr accubonds, get 3254fps out of a 27" barrel. A 338 edge gives you a little extra (higher BC bullets available), but I was leaning towards the 375 as you can get lathe turned bullets with BC's over .9, and I heard that there are also 350gr matchkings available.

    I was thinking about going with a 30" barrel, in a sendero contour, and with a ATRS of APS muzzle brake.
     
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  6. AJ Peacock

    AJ Peacock Well-Known Member

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    There are also 338 lathe turned bullets coming that will be VERY high in BC. You'll need a tighter twist than normal (1-9 twist or tighter). Would be a very interesting Edge to say the least.

    AJ
     
  7. jmden

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    In order of preference: 338 Edge Imp, 338 Edge, 338 RUM. Any will work, but if you going to the expense, why not max the capability and improve brass life in the process? The .340 Weatherby is a ways from a 338 RUM...on the order of 200fps less with a 275g bullet--not sure with the 300 SMK. Check Hodgdon's site.
     
  8. 338 bruce

    338 bruce Well-Known Member

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    my rem sendaro is currently being rebarreled in 375 tejas (375 rum improved). they say 200 fps over standard loads. i wanted a little more hammer power beyond 1200 yds than the 338.
     
  9. Michael Eichele

    Michael Eichele Well-Known Member

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    After toying with two 300 RUM barrels I can honestly say I have NO desire to ever waste my money on another one. It is way too over bore and hard on barrels. They are great when they are new but they dont stay new for long. I was enthralled with the 200 grain bullets at 3200 FPS and what they could do but they dont hold a candle to the 338 300 grain pills. The 338/300 grainers will drift less and hit alot harder while making a bigger hole in the critter.

    Currently I am working with the 338 Edge. I only have 95 rounds down the hole so the verdict is still out on it. What I can say is that by the time I had this many rounds down the 300 RUM's I was already having throat problems. So far the 338 Edge has not shown me any signs of problems. This includes what the chrono is telling me AND bore scoping the barrel. As of now, I dont think I will look back. The 338 It will be for me for a super long range hammer. So far, my only gripe is the recoil which isnt as bad as I thought it would be but stout enough that I dont want to shoot her all the time. For a hunting rifle though it isnt an issue at all.

    So far the barrel life is an improvment over the 300's and the accuracy potential of both the 338 RUM and the 338 Edge is staggering. I am first hand witnessing what I have been hearing about for the last couple of years. That is groups in the .2's and .3's with H1000 and the 300 grain bullets. I just got some 300 grain Scenars yesterday and took no time to tune my groups to the .200's. Last week she also shot a 1.5" group at 700 yards with the 250 SMK's. This was my first session past 300 yards with her.

    Let us know what you decide.
     
  10. Long Time Long Ranger

    Long Time Long Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Who makes these lathe turned bullets with the high BC's?. I have two 378 wby's that would love to see some .9 BC's.

    jmden, I assure you there is not 200 fps difference between the 340 wby and anything off the ultramag case. The ultramag is slightly faster obviously with all that powder capacity but many people who have quiet a lot of experience with both favor the 340 because it does it with 12-15 grains less powder on average. I assure you my data through many years with big 338's is far greater than any loading manual. If you are familiar with the 338 ultramags compare my accuracy load with the 340 weatherby I have used for 30 years out of a 28" Hart barrel with a 1-10 twist to your loads with an ultramag. 3056 fps with a 250 grain bullet. You will find there is not enough difference to make a difference in hunting situations.

    It was just another option. Like I said I would go right back with either the 300 or 338 ultramag depending on what kind of game he was hunting and how far he wanted to shoot. If he is shooting quiet a bit beyond 600 yards on large game I would do the 338 ultramag with that action. There is hardly any difference between any of the 338 ultramag versions.
     
  11. J E Custom

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    For most big game at long range the 300 RUM with 200gr bullets is a winner.

    If your want to hunt Elk size game at long range a 338 would have an advantage
    with 225 or 250gr bullets.

    I subscribe to the Keep it simple method and the 338 RUM is just that.

    My go to Elk rifle is the 338 RUM using 250 accubonds and being conservative I hold my shots
    to 1100 yards because of energy and terminal velocity.(1500 ft/lbs and 1800 ft/sec) minimums.

    J E CUSTOM
     
  12. jmden

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    LTLR,

    I'm not bashing your experience, I'm just saying that a cursory look at the manuals, for a general and basic reference to indicate what a chambering can do, reveals a substantial difference between the .340 and 338 RUM. Take a look at Nosler.com for their 225g bullets as well as the earlier mentioned Hodgdon data. Somewhat under 200fps difference. Unfortunately, Nosler doesn't have data for the 250g bullets for the 338RUM. There's another step up to the EDGE and another step up to the EDGE AI. From what I've seen over the years here, and I've been watching closely for several years trying to decide which .338 I want, guys here are typically reporting a fairly wide range in fps with these different chamberings, as one would expect based on case capacity.

    If you want a long range hammer for good sized critters and are going to the expense to build a custom and don't mind a wildcat and a brake, go big! JMHO.
     
  13. angus-5024

    angus-5024 Well-Known Member

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    I think for a hunting rifle I would go with the .338 RUM because it feeds better in the mag unless your going to get a long after market DM, then go with whatever your heart desires. for me, I think that the .338 RUM is perfect for a Remmy action. If its a target rifle, a .375 would be cool.
     
  14. davewilson

    davewilson Well-Known Member

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    i'm going to agree 100% with Michael statement. i didn't have a 300UM but did own a 7UM for a while, and all i can say is the edge is simply the easiest and most forgiving cartridge i've ever loaded for. it's like a big 308! i'd also agree that all of the 338's mentioned would work just fine. i would not recommend a 375 for a long range caliber until good bullets can be had from more than one major bullet maker.