1. goodgrouper

    goodgrouper Well-Known Member

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    Because there is no real choice in the "three evils" this coming November, I decided to go looking for an underdog to vote for. It was either that or just miss out on the first presidential election ever in my life. But if you do that, then you have no right to complain!! So my search began and ended with some research on Ron Paul. This guy really could save us from the downward spiral we're already in (is downward spiral a better or more politically correct phrase than recession?). Ron really has no shot at winning this thing, but if enough people vote for the underdog, maybe he can pull out a victory or a vice president bid. At least that's the hope since the "other three" don't lend much hope at all. McCain is a liberal in conservative disguise. Obama is a big city lawyer with anti-gun policies who has lost touch with middle class rural America. And Hillary, well we won't even go there.

    If you haven't read up on Ron Paul yet, here you go:

    Ron Paul 2008 › Issues
     
  2. wildcat

    wildcat Well-Known Member

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    I will admit John McCain was not my first choice, however, I admire his service to our country and his will to survive in the prison camp. I know one thing, he will protect this country from our enemies. I don't like his immigration policies, and I am hoping they will change if he's elected.

    One things for sure, a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Hillary or Obama. I don't think people see what's going on in this world. I don't think people understand what's going on in China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Syria and Venesaula. I also don't think people understand what's going on in Iraq. If you no anything about history, you will understand what I am talking about. I would rather have John McCain in the White House making descisions about the safety and sercurity of this great country. Please, don't vote for Ron Paul, let's give McCain a chance.

    Regading your comment "McCain is a liberal in conservative desguise". Many people said the same things about Ronald Reagan and look what he did.

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  3. HRstretch

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    Please do a little more research on Doctor Ron Paul. He is not what he appears to be. His actual policies are really different than what he campians on. Says one thing and does another.

    This is from a Texan that has seen his wily, covert ways.
     
  4. EddieHarren

    EddieHarren Well-Known Member

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    Does the name Ross Perot bring back any memories? If not for this jugeared little martian, we would never have had the Clintonistas in the Whitehouse.
     
  5. goodgrouper

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    Of the three evils, McCain is probably the lesser of the bunch but he is still not the man that will pull us back around. None of the three will. ANd while I admire his fortitude in his POW situation, I don't think that should catapult him into any leadership position. Being a POW doesn't mean you'd be a good politician.

    I got to visit with a few Arizona Republicans down at the Cactus Classic a few months ago and let me tell you, they are not happy with his 2nd amendment track record. And they would know. He's from their state. Probably similar to the guys who don't like Paul that are from Texas. Perhaps they have a particular case or experience they would like to share that would educate the rest of us to the "two-faced" ways of Ron Paul?
     
  6. BountyHunter

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    If you vote for Ron Paul, it is nothing more than a proxy vote for the Democratic candidate in reality.

    He has zero chance of winning anything, and will only suck off non liberal votes like you. You are only playing into the Democrats hands by doing that!

    you are doing the same as staying home because a vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote and lost which will only benefit Obama or Hillary in the end.

    Your choice, but do not be naive and think it is anything positive.

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  7. HRstretch

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    A couple of examples

    Voted against Bill HR2206 7/12/07 funding troops in Iraq(Voted with Dems)
    Voted against Bill HR 1 Ammendamant to Homleand Security act to implement recommendations of the 9/11 commision
    No vote on Bill S 1927 amendment to Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
    Voted Against Bill S 3930 Military Commissions act (Voted with Dems)
    Voted Against Bill HR 5825 Electronic Surveillance Act (Voted with Dems)
    Voted Against Bill HR Estate Tax Extension Act (Voted with Dems)

    Key Votes by Ron Paul | Congress votes database | washingtonpost.com

    Just look at how many times he votes with the Democratic party and against his (LOL) Republican party. A politicians words or website is one thing, his actions and voting record is another.After being in the Senate for twenty years, why is he not a major leader in the Republican party, because he is not a Republican, and has no support in the Senate.

    Try to find his sponsored bills that have succeeded in getting passed. He, in my opinion, is a professional politician that has done nothing for this country and the 14th District but has done well for himself with raising money for his political coffers.
     
  8. britz

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    Couldn't agree more!!

    even if the others suck, you are basically taking away a vote for the lesser of two evils in the presidential election. If you want to prove a point in vein, then go ahead and vote for the third party. But honestly, if you really are concerned about policy and want to have some impact, pick a dem or republican because it is going to be a dem or republican who takes office this year. The Electoral college simply won't pick a third party yet. If there were more third party members in congress, then you may have a shot.
     
  9. wildcat

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    I think we can all agree that John McCain will protect this country no matter what it takes. McCain will support our troops and make our military stronger. I think the safety and security of our country should be the most important thing a voter thinks about when pulling the lever. Without a strong military and the security and safety of our great country, every other issue is trival.

    We have to give McCain a chance. I know it will be hard for some conservatives to vote for him, but we have to come together and make sure the person in the White House will at least protect our country from our many enemies, make our military stronger and support our troops.

    Here are some things you should know;
    1. Russia is slowly and silently coming back.
    2. China has the biggest Navy and Army in the world.
    3. Iran, well they are supported by Russia, China and North Korea and if you don't think so, then you need to take a step back and really look at what's going on in the world. Iran wants to wipe Isreal off the face of the planet and if they get a nuke, they just might do it.
    4. North Korea has Nuclear weapons and a way to to deliver one to at least the West Coast of the United States. I am sorry but that makes me a little nervous living on the West Coast.
    5. Venezuela, have you ever heard of Hugo Chavez. He suports Iran and praises Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, however, he called George Bush the Devil while speaking at the United Nations.


    The above nations have mentioned they would like to see Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton get into the White House. I am sorry, but that's scary too.

    I am sick of hearing about how bad a President George Bush has been. George Bush has kept this nation safe since 9/12/2001 and that's good enough for me. My point, John McCain will keep us safe for 8 more years and make our enemies think twice about doing anything to our country.

    Please, vote for McCain. If you vote for guys like Ron Paul or Bob Barr, the above nations will get what they want.

    W.
     
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  10. silvertip-co

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    He's getting my vote for sure.
     
  11. wildcat

    wildcat Well-Known Member

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    Silvertip, are you voting for McCain?

    W.
     
  12. Timberbeast7

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    John McCain never had my vote, so voting for Bob Barr is not "stealing" any votes from McCain. If its between McCain and Obama, I'll just stay home. McCain will run this country into the ground just as fast as any of his liberal brethren. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil, and will only lead us farther down the path to socialism. If a conservative 3rd party get 15% of the vote (which may be very likely this year) maybe some of these spineless republicans will wake up and grow a set to stand up for our conservative values. I used to preach that a vote for a 3rd party was a vote for the liberals, but this year I cannot swallow my values and pull the lever for a warmed-over liberal (McCain). People need to stand up and vote for what they believe in if they ever expect any change.
     
  13. goodgrouper

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    Thanks Hrstretch for the info. Isn't it interesting all the conflicting information that's out there! Some of those things that Paul voted for, he voted with Dems. I for one don't much care about what party backs what issue as long as the proposal is just. I'm not a straight Republican and I'm not a straight Democrat. Both sides have good ideas and bad ideas although I will admit that Republicans usually have more of the ideas I agree with. But to say that Reps have not had their share of skeletons in the closet is simply untrue.

    So I believe it is more important to break down each issue and choose the right course of action on an individual basis than to just throw a general party method at them. And this is why I simply cannot vote for McCain. He has had way too many 2nd Amendment follies in his career than I can handle. He's got some good ideas, don't get me wrong. But how could a guy who likes guns as much as I do vote for someone the NRA gave a C minus rating? Or was it a C plus? I can't remember now but it wasn't all that good. Anyhow, I really would like to vote for a Republican this year as the Democratic options are by far worse than the Reps, but McCain simply doesn't have what it takes to lead the Republican party to victory or to lead the US back out of the dark. And if this new info about Ron Paul is true, then he is just another two faced politician as well.

    The good thing about this whole mess is that we have a balance of power and no one man can really rule. The whole checks and balances thing kicks in and helps out the situation. This is good since there aren't any perfect people with perfect voting records and there aren't any parties that are pure right down the middle. Saying that Republicans are the best or Democrats are the best is like saying all white women ages 55-75 living in the midwest are the best. It's simply too much of a generalization. So what people need to do is vote for the right person, not the right party based on strategic manipulations. But it will take an awful lot of people to vote this way and I don't see it ever happening in my lifetime.


    On a side note: What is your opinion of Mitt Romney and what would happen if McCain took him on as Vice Pres?
     
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  14. goodgrouper

    goodgrouper Well-Known Member

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    Well said. I couldn't agree more.