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Rimfire suppressor or adult air rfie? A breakdown with a question
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<blockquote data-quote="James D." data-source="post: 681495" data-attributes="member: 430"><p>What was the final decision on this?</p><p></p><p>I have both suppressed .22LR's, springer air rifles/pistols, and PCP rifles/pistols. In all what do you want to do with the rifle, to hunt if so what will be the quarry and distance? If you want to just shoot paper then the decision would be easier to make. What is the budget?</p><p></p><p>Some observations with spring ram rifles:</p><p>As mentioned springer air rifles are alive and well and ARE not going to disappear anytime soon and are far from being "archaic". Springers are advantageous for follow up shots when compared to pump up pneumatics like Benjamin/Sheridan/Crossman varieties and are quieter to shoot. The disadvantage of most springer rifles is you have one power setting where the pump up pneumatics can be variable based on how many pumps you use. Any of the HW rifles can give you a excellent trigger and outstanding accuracy and the price matches the features and power levels. The HW97K is a fixed barrel underlever that has won many FT competitions stock out of the box. The regular break barrel HW30/HW95are no slouches when it comes to accuracy or power, nor will you find an owner that says it's a ***. RWS/Diana's are a little more affordable but are not as refined as the HW's, Diana has the newer T06 trigger models which can equal the HW Rekord triggers, a very good thing out of the box. Diana/RWS has a M460 model which is an underlever and offers more power and better balance than the sidelever series. Diana does have a recoiless sidelever M54 and M56 models, these actions slide in rails and upon firing, the entire action slides in the stock to minimize recoil and taming the shot cycle. (this SLEDGE recoil mechanism is known to be brutal on scopes.) HW does not have a recoiless model but they DO have a gas-piston model, which has a different shot cycle experience. Air Arms has the TX200 and Pro-Sport, both of which are pretty much as advanced as a springer can be. The TX200 is a underlever model and is VERY popular with the Field Target crowd due to the accuracy, balance, and firing behavior. In other countries power output is limited/licensed and at 12ftlb most air rifles can still obtain clean 40m head shots on squeezers. Most springers here are above the 12ftlb power level...</p><p></p><p>PCP's are an entire different game:</p><p>Tanks, shops with compressors, hand pumps, shoebox, hoses, adapters, high pressure compressors, and the cost of everything. ONCE everything is purchased then yes they are nice and extremely accurate with even faster followup shots if it is equipped with a magazine and can offer more power and play nicer with scopes. MOST PCP's are going to be LOUD, and because of that most are being made with internal moderators to quiet them. Some guys make silencers for airguns for this reason and call them Lead Dust Collectors. Just about all manufacturers have a PCP available and depending on features and who makes it the prices can vary from entry-level to Anshutz, Steyr, Daystate, Ripley, Whiscombe, Theoben, and DAQ's. Most PCP's also have some sort of adjustments for power levels and some do not.</p><p></p><p>In my area you cannot discharge a firearm in city/county limits, so even with a suppressor it is still illegal. So this opens up the airgun option, my collection:</p><p>RWS 240 - .177 youth sized plinker, break barrel spring ram, (nephews present)</p><p>RWS 34 - .177, break barrel spring ram, trunk gun with synthetic stock, Hawke 2-7 scope</p><p>RWS 34 - .22 newest addition, synthetic stock, maybe peep rear sight</p><p>RWS 48 - .177, sidelever spring ram, my first quality air rifle, peep rear sight..</p><p>RWS 52 - .22, sidelever spring ram, open sights</p><p>RWS 54 - .22, sidelever spring ram recoiless, Hawke 4-12 scope</p><p>FWB 300S - 10m Match air rifle, sidelever spring ram recoiless, diopter sights</p><p>Air Arms S410 - .177 PCP repeater, rifle length and factory moderated, Hawke 3-9 scope</p><p>Air Arms S410 - .22 PCP repeater, silencer, compact and discreet for transport, Hawke 4-12 IR </p><p> scope, red hawglight LED torch</p><p>Walther LP201 - .177 PCP, 10m Match pistol</p><p>Pardini K10 - .177 PCP Match pistol</p><p>HW45 - .177/.22, spring ram pistol, dual power levels and 2 barrels for caliber changes</p><p>(5 of these airguns were purchased NEW, rest were used)</p><p></p><p>For just plinking, quick practice session, or quick dispatch of a vermin then a springer and tin of pellets is all that is needed. For night time rat dispatches or a special reason then I will use a PCP. I prefer hunting with a PCP as they are lighter than a spring piston rifle and are easier to shoot as they are less hold sensitive. (Do a quick snap shoot resulting in a miss with a springer compared to a PCP due to not holding it tight against my shoulder.) The Air Arm PCP's get on average about 30 shots per fill stock, if you add an aftermarket regulator and tune the mechanism then that can be stretched to almost double that or more... I also prefer the .22 for hunting, the raw knockdown power and small critters is never an argument but for paper punching it is the .177 that is grabbed off the rack. .177 pellets are much cheaper than the .22 variety but the .22 variety is easier to load if you have large finders and hand issues...</p><p></p><p>For Rimfires, I have a CZ 452, BRNO Model 4, Nordic NC22 on a built Spikes Lower. Shooting with standard velocity ammo or CB Longs does not bother me, with high velocity ammo and hunting I go with a suppressor or ear muffs...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James D., post: 681495, member: 430"] What was the final decision on this? I have both suppressed .22LR's, springer air rifles/pistols, and PCP rifles/pistols. In all what do you want to do with the rifle, to hunt if so what will be the quarry and distance? If you want to just shoot paper then the decision would be easier to make. What is the budget? Some observations with spring ram rifles: As mentioned springer air rifles are alive and well and ARE not going to disappear anytime soon and are far from being "archaic". Springers are advantageous for follow up shots when compared to pump up pneumatics like Benjamin/Sheridan/Crossman varieties and are quieter to shoot. The disadvantage of most springer rifles is you have one power setting where the pump up pneumatics can be variable based on how many pumps you use. Any of the HW rifles can give you a excellent trigger and outstanding accuracy and the price matches the features and power levels. The HW97K is a fixed barrel underlever that has won many FT competitions stock out of the box. The regular break barrel HW30/HW95are no slouches when it comes to accuracy or power, nor will you find an owner that says it's a ***. RWS/Diana's are a little more affordable but are not as refined as the HW's, Diana has the newer T06 trigger models which can equal the HW Rekord triggers, a very good thing out of the box. Diana/RWS has a M460 model which is an underlever and offers more power and better balance than the sidelever series. Diana does have a recoiless sidelever M54 and M56 models, these actions slide in rails and upon firing, the entire action slides in the stock to minimize recoil and taming the shot cycle. (this SLEDGE recoil mechanism is known to be brutal on scopes.) HW does not have a recoiless model but they DO have a gas-piston model, which has a different shot cycle experience. Air Arms has the TX200 and Pro-Sport, both of which are pretty much as advanced as a springer can be. The TX200 is a underlever model and is VERY popular with the Field Target crowd due to the accuracy, balance, and firing behavior. In other countries power output is limited/licensed and at 12ftlb most air rifles can still obtain clean 40m head shots on squeezers. Most springers here are above the 12ftlb power level... PCP's are an entire different game: Tanks, shops with compressors, hand pumps, shoebox, hoses, adapters, high pressure compressors, and the cost of everything. ONCE everything is purchased then yes they are nice and extremely accurate with even faster followup shots if it is equipped with a magazine and can offer more power and play nicer with scopes. MOST PCP's are going to be LOUD, and because of that most are being made with internal moderators to quiet them. Some guys make silencers for airguns for this reason and call them Lead Dust Collectors. Just about all manufacturers have a PCP available and depending on features and who makes it the prices can vary from entry-level to Anshutz, Steyr, Daystate, Ripley, Whiscombe, Theoben, and DAQ's. Most PCP's also have some sort of adjustments for power levels and some do not. In my area you cannot discharge a firearm in city/county limits, so even with a suppressor it is still illegal. So this opens up the airgun option, my collection: RWS 240 - .177 youth sized plinker, break barrel spring ram, (nephews present) RWS 34 - .177, break barrel spring ram, trunk gun with synthetic stock, Hawke 2-7 scope RWS 34 - .22 newest addition, synthetic stock, maybe peep rear sight RWS 48 - .177, sidelever spring ram, my first quality air rifle, peep rear sight.. RWS 52 - .22, sidelever spring ram, open sights RWS 54 - .22, sidelever spring ram recoiless, Hawke 4-12 scope FWB 300S - 10m Match air rifle, sidelever spring ram recoiless, diopter sights Air Arms S410 - .177 PCP repeater, rifle length and factory moderated, Hawke 3-9 scope Air Arms S410 - .22 PCP repeater, silencer, compact and discreet for transport, Hawke 4-12 IR scope, red hawglight LED torch Walther LP201 - .177 PCP, 10m Match pistol Pardini K10 - .177 PCP Match pistol HW45 - .177/.22, spring ram pistol, dual power levels and 2 barrels for caliber changes (5 of these airguns were purchased NEW, rest were used) For just plinking, quick practice session, or quick dispatch of a vermin then a springer and tin of pellets is all that is needed. For night time rat dispatches or a special reason then I will use a PCP. I prefer hunting with a PCP as they are lighter than a spring piston rifle and are easier to shoot as they are less hold sensitive. (Do a quick snap shoot resulting in a miss with a springer compared to a PCP due to not holding it tight against my shoulder.) The Air Arm PCP's get on average about 30 shots per fill stock, if you add an aftermarket regulator and tune the mechanism then that can be stretched to almost double that or more... I also prefer the .22 for hunting, the raw knockdown power and small critters is never an argument but for paper punching it is the .177 that is grabbed off the rack. .177 pellets are much cheaper than the .22 variety but the .22 variety is easier to load if you have large finders and hand issues... For Rimfires, I have a CZ 452, BRNO Model 4, Nordic NC22 on a built Spikes Lower. Shooting with standard velocity ammo or CB Longs does not bother me, with high velocity ammo and hunting I go with a suppressor or ear muffs... [/QUOTE]
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