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Rimfire suppressor or adult air rfie? A breakdown with a question
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<blockquote data-quote="FAL Shot" data-source="post: 626204" data-attributes="member: 27328"><p>I own a Ruger 10/22 and a CZ 452 .22LR.</p><p> </p><p>You can dink with the Ruger 10/22 all you want and spend far more than the cost of a CZ 452/453/455, and it will not outshoot an out-of-the-box CZ rimfire.</p><p> </p><p>I kill twice as many prairie dogs in a day with a CZ 452 than with my 10/22 and expend far less ammo. </p><p> </p><p>A CZ rimfire comes with a trigger that would be considered a custom trigger on other rifles. An experienced gunsmith will tell you that some of the parts in a CZ rimfire trigger will be superior to some custom trigger parts.</p><p> </p><p>They guys at Scheels in Billings have taken their Anschutz and CZ rimfires to the target range, and saw no difference in the results. The only difference is the price and nicer cosmetics on the Anschutz rifles. They sell both brands and have no reason to tell lies. </p><p> </p><p>I use my CZ 452 almost all the time now. I only use the 10/22 to blow off trash plinking ammo that isn't good enough for my CZ 452 while hunting.</p><p> </p><p>You can still find CZ 452 rifles with the 16" barrel threaded for a suppressor if you look around. They are a far better deal than dinking with a 10/22 if you run a suppressor.</p><p> </p><p>A semi-auto with a suppressor runs very dirty and in the case of the Ruger 10/22 you will be taking your mags down and cleaning fouling out of them very often, as well as cleaning out the trigger group much more often. A bolt rifle is a far better choice when using a suppressor. The gas leak in a loose semi-auto rimfire chamber will partially negate the benefit of a suppressor at the shooter's ear. Out of thousands of rounds fired, I have never had to clean my CZ 452 mags.</p><p> </p><p>I have used my magnum .25 cal BSA Lonestar PCP air rifle at the prairie dog towns with and without the suppressor. It makes absolutely no difference in number of PD's killed. The ballistic crack from a supersonic bullet or pellet scares a PD far more than the muzzle report, which is very minor at 100 yards. You can ditch the suppressor and save some weight. This also applies to subsonic .22LR ammo, which sounds almost identical to a magnum PCP air rifle muzzle blast.</p><p> </p><p>When taking head shots at PD's at 60 yards or less (guard dogs peek above their burrows and allow you to get that close), the BSA Lonestar will connect more often than the 10/22 will unless shooting Wolf Match Target or something similarly expensive. The best JSB Match pellets cost 4 cents each in quantity in .25 cal, and less in .22 cal. Nothing in rimfire comes remotely close in price except trash bulk .22LR which is not suitable for PD hunting.</p><p> </p><p>The Benjamin Marauder is similar in accuracy to a BSA Lonestar or R-10 or Scorpion or Sportsman HV or Hornet. You can shoot the air rifles inside with sufficient pellet trap.....in your basement. My Lonestar shoots through 1.5" pine board (2x4) and will shoot through a roof with 3/4" lumber overlaid with shingles, or through several layers of sheetrock. </p><p> </p><p>A .25 cal Crow Magnum hollowpoint pellet that has the nose cavity slightly enlarged will accept a small rifle magnum primer. I'm not telling you to do this, but I saw a video on Youtube and the damage it did to 3/4" plywood was impressive. A big hunk of wood was blown out of the back side of the plywood. I'm wondering what the effect would be on brain shots. It must be rather deadly, because many states expressly forbid explosive pellets for game hunting. When we were kids, we took the white tips off matches and packed it inside the nose of hollowpoint pellets and Scotch taped over it. It was explosive on contact with a hard object. Of course, every varmint animal that I brainshot with a standard .25 cal roundnose pellet has dropped on the spot, no exceptions. Primers cause inaccuracy in pellet noses, and thus reduces deadliness if any appreciable distance is involved. Might work as a Coup de Grace on a wounded animal. My varmints are dead when I walk up on them after brain shooting them with a .25 cal pellet. The guy who uploaded the Youtube video of primered pellets was using a much weaker breakbarrel air rifle and was not shooting for groups. I suspect the pellets were grossly inaccurate. He should get a PCP rifle before dinking with primered pellets. </p><p> </p><p>Guys who have bad experiences with air rifles are almost universally dinking around with trashy breakbarrel air rifles. Barrels wobble back and forth when you push them a bit, overlubed and dieseling, etc. I went to every big sporting goods store in Billings, and found not one hunting class PCP air rifle, not even a Benjamin 392 multi-pump PCP which is the low end of acceptable.</p><p> </p><p>Don't forget that suppressors hold moisture and will rust your barrel if you don't know how to store a suppressed rifle. This applies to PCP air rifles and firearms equally.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FAL Shot, post: 626204, member: 27328"] I own a Ruger 10/22 and a CZ 452 .22LR. You can dink with the Ruger 10/22 all you want and spend far more than the cost of a CZ 452/453/455, and it will not outshoot an out-of-the-box CZ rimfire. I kill twice as many prairie dogs in a day with a CZ 452 than with my 10/22 and expend far less ammo. A CZ rimfire comes with a trigger that would be considered a custom trigger on other rifles. An experienced gunsmith will tell you that some of the parts in a CZ rimfire trigger will be superior to some custom trigger parts. They guys at Scheels in Billings have taken their Anschutz and CZ rimfires to the target range, and saw no difference in the results. The only difference is the price and nicer cosmetics on the Anschutz rifles. They sell both brands and have no reason to tell lies. I use my CZ 452 almost all the time now. I only use the 10/22 to blow off trash plinking ammo that isn't good enough for my CZ 452 while hunting. You can still find CZ 452 rifles with the 16" barrel threaded for a suppressor if you look around. They are a far better deal than dinking with a 10/22 if you run a suppressor. A semi-auto with a suppressor runs very dirty and in the case of the Ruger 10/22 you will be taking your mags down and cleaning fouling out of them very often, as well as cleaning out the trigger group much more often. A bolt rifle is a far better choice when using a suppressor. The gas leak in a loose semi-auto rimfire chamber will partially negate the benefit of a suppressor at the shooter's ear. Out of thousands of rounds fired, I have never had to clean my CZ 452 mags. I have used my magnum .25 cal BSA Lonestar PCP air rifle at the prairie dog towns with and without the suppressor. It makes absolutely no difference in number of PD's killed. The ballistic crack from a supersonic bullet or pellet scares a PD far more than the muzzle report, which is very minor at 100 yards. You can ditch the suppressor and save some weight. This also applies to subsonic .22LR ammo, which sounds almost identical to a magnum PCP air rifle muzzle blast. When taking head shots at PD's at 60 yards or less (guard dogs peek above their burrows and allow you to get that close), the BSA Lonestar will connect more often than the 10/22 will unless shooting Wolf Match Target or something similarly expensive. The best JSB Match pellets cost 4 cents each in quantity in .25 cal, and less in .22 cal. Nothing in rimfire comes remotely close in price except trash bulk .22LR which is not suitable for PD hunting. The Benjamin Marauder is similar in accuracy to a BSA Lonestar or R-10 or Scorpion or Sportsman HV or Hornet. You can shoot the air rifles inside with sufficient pellet trap.....in your basement. My Lonestar shoots through 1.5" pine board (2x4) and will shoot through a roof with 3/4" lumber overlaid with shingles, or through several layers of sheetrock. A .25 cal Crow Magnum hollowpoint pellet that has the nose cavity slightly enlarged will accept a small rifle magnum primer. I'm not telling you to do this, but I saw a video on Youtube and the damage it did to 3/4" plywood was impressive. A big hunk of wood was blown out of the back side of the plywood. I'm wondering what the effect would be on brain shots. It must be rather deadly, because many states expressly forbid explosive pellets for game hunting. When we were kids, we took the white tips off matches and packed it inside the nose of hollowpoint pellets and Scotch taped over it. It was explosive on contact with a hard object. Of course, every varmint animal that I brainshot with a standard .25 cal roundnose pellet has dropped on the spot, no exceptions. Primers cause inaccuracy in pellet noses, and thus reduces deadliness if any appreciable distance is involved. Might work as a Coup de Grace on a wounded animal. My varmints are dead when I walk up on them after brain shooting them with a .25 cal pellet. The guy who uploaded the Youtube video of primered pellets was using a much weaker breakbarrel air rifle and was not shooting for groups. I suspect the pellets were grossly inaccurate. He should get a PCP rifle before dinking with primered pellets. Guys who have bad experiences with air rifles are almost universally dinking around with trashy breakbarrel air rifles. Barrels wobble back and forth when you push them a bit, overlubed and dieseling, etc. I went to every big sporting goods store in Billings, and found not one hunting class PCP air rifle, not even a Benjamin 392 multi-pump PCP which is the low end of acceptable. Don't forget that suppressors hold moisture and will rust your barrel if you don't know how to store a suppressed rifle. This applies to PCP air rifles and firearms equally. [/QUOTE]
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