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<blockquote data-quote="Trickymissfit" data-source="post: 762079" data-attributes="member: 25383"><p>I've been inside all the major player's auto plants at onetime or another. Just came with idea exchanges and invites here and there. I've also been inside roughly 70% of all the U.S. machine tool manufacturer's plants, but usually on business. Some were very impressive and some were a joke. </p><p> </p><p>Without getting a letter from a corporate lawyer, let me just say that some folks cut gears and splines like chopping wood with an axe. Some use cheap steels to cut corners assuming that nobody down the road is gonna ever know. In today's world most things that involve heavy machine work usually take place in what is known as an FMS cell. They come in all shapes sizes and flavors. 70% are junk as soon as the main disconnect is thrown the first time, and some run for what seems like forever. The worst come out of Asia with Germany right behind them. (sorry if that made anybody mad). The days of a transfer or suttle machine are pretty much dead unless you plan on cutting that exact part for the ten to twenty odd years without a single change in it.</p><p> </p><p>Now picking on one truck brand that likes to tell me how big and strong it is, and get a good chuckle when the idiot drops this part and that part on the table top making a lot of noise. I've also taken gear boxes apart when the elite couldn't figure out how to do it from some very expensive European brands and a couple Jap ones. Germans had some very nice ground gears in there, and they also used 1960 technology in their gear development (was easy to see without a single measurment). Jap stuff looked like 1945 gear development. Sorry if that hurt, but trust me it's spot. But the material was the big difference, and I won't tell you the difference but it was substantial.</p><p> </p><p>There are only two engines that recieve a 100% dyno test before ever being installed in a car or light duty truck. Not three, four or even ten. Just two. One of them is the V10 engine that goes in a Viper, and the test last 40 minutes before the dyno is shut down. Now that's roughly forty minutes longer than all the Hondas built in a week or two. All hemis recieve a dyno test as well but it's of shorter duration. G.M. and Ford are supposed to be doing one engine each like this, and neither will be mass production and nor is the Viper V10. That would also be forty minutes longer than all the Toyota production of the week.</p><p> </p><p>Now lets take another step and check out the current worst of the worst. (I have only specs for the bottom five right now) The worst is a Mercedes SLK, and the next four are Asian. Looks like the Germans are getting much better lately! At one time they held five of the bottom ten slots with Toyota and Honda owning one each. The rest were Korean. So what were the top five? They all came out of those union plants you hate. Two were light duty half ton trucks. But to give credit where credit is due I must tell you that the top of the line Lexus and the Buick Lucerne trade the top spot year in year out. The difference between the two is usually one point out of a couple thousand points. (and of course about $30K). Actually the Buick has held that spot more than the Lexus. Of course one comes out of a union plant and the other does not. Plus one is $30,000 cheaper! The worst car period in this country is a Carolla I might add. (I was even surprised about that one) How they attained that position I don't know, but they must have earned it.</p><p>gary</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Trickymissfit, post: 762079, member: 25383"] I've been inside all the major player's auto plants at onetime or another. Just came with idea exchanges and invites here and there. I've also been inside roughly 70% of all the U.S. machine tool manufacturer's plants, but usually on business. Some were very impressive and some were a joke. Without getting a letter from a corporate lawyer, let me just say that some folks cut gears and splines like chopping wood with an axe. Some use cheap steels to cut corners assuming that nobody down the road is gonna ever know. In today's world most things that involve heavy machine work usually take place in what is known as an FMS cell. They come in all shapes sizes and flavors. 70% are junk as soon as the main disconnect is thrown the first time, and some run for what seems like forever. The worst come out of Asia with Germany right behind them. (sorry if that made anybody mad). The days of a transfer or suttle machine are pretty much dead unless you plan on cutting that exact part for the ten to twenty odd years without a single change in it. Now picking on one truck brand that likes to tell me how big and strong it is, and get a good chuckle when the idiot drops this part and that part on the table top making a lot of noise. I've also taken gear boxes apart when the elite couldn't figure out how to do it from some very expensive European brands and a couple Jap ones. Germans had some very nice ground gears in there, and they also used 1960 technology in their gear development (was easy to see without a single measurment). Jap stuff looked like 1945 gear development. Sorry if that hurt, but trust me it's spot. But the material was the big difference, and I won't tell you the difference but it was substantial. There are only two engines that recieve a 100% dyno test before ever being installed in a car or light duty truck. Not three, four or even ten. Just two. One of them is the V10 engine that goes in a Viper, and the test last 40 minutes before the dyno is shut down. Now that's roughly forty minutes longer than all the Hondas built in a week or two. All hemis recieve a dyno test as well but it's of shorter duration. G.M. and Ford are supposed to be doing one engine each like this, and neither will be mass production and nor is the Viper V10. That would also be forty minutes longer than all the Toyota production of the week. Now lets take another step and check out the current worst of the worst. (I have only specs for the bottom five right now) The worst is a Mercedes SLK, and the next four are Asian. Looks like the Germans are getting much better lately! At one time they held five of the bottom ten slots with Toyota and Honda owning one each. The rest were Korean. So what were the top five? They all came out of those union plants you hate. Two were light duty half ton trucks. But to give credit where credit is due I must tell you that the top of the line Lexus and the Buick Lucerne trade the top spot year in year out. The difference between the two is usually one point out of a couple thousand points. (and of course about $30K). Actually the Buick has held that spot more than the Lexus. Of course one comes out of a union plant and the other does not. Plus one is $30,000 cheaper! The worst car period in this country is a Carolla I might add. (I was even surprised about that one) How they attained that position I don't know, but they must have earned it. gary [/QUOTE]
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