Rifle Color Patterns Camo or otherwise, a question?

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  1. royinidaho

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    For LRH rifles:
    1) Does it make any difference if the rifle is camo'd or has a NASCAR (Loud) paint job?

    For walk & stalk or call rifles:
    1) If camo'd should the camo pattern be:
    a) Pleasing to the human such as mossy oak or whatever?
    b) Be geared more towards being effective for the environment?
    c) Makes no difference.

    Would like to hear some of your thoughts and preferences.
     
  2. älg

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    I´d say you do not necessarily need a camo pattern.... something that blends in the environment or at least is not a NASCAR would do for stalking/calling. etc.....

    I´ve hunted for years with a grey stock in my rem. That said, I like the marble finish much better than a plain colour or a cammo pattern.

    As far as very LR rifle, colour may not matter but......if you are out hunting you never know when you´ll get the chance to shoot so I´d rather not sport a pinky-easily-to see-from-far-away stock.

    Of course, we could enter a discussion regarding the possibility of game to really spot an object with some colours that humans consider as NASCAR. My thought is that it is the pattern/lines and not the colour what will make a difference.
     

  3. ss7mm

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    Roy:

    It seems that when this subject comes up people tend to think in terms of what they see and what they think might be good or bad. If you believe the so called experts, then animals see mostly in shades of gray. I do know that movement and reflections can and will spook them.

    Last fall during hunting season we tried an experiment. We had two guns with stainless actions and barrels and one with a blued action and stainless barrel and one with blued action and barrel. Admittedly the stainless units were all matte type finish and not highly polished. I know a lot of people say that stainless is a no no when it comes to animals but I'll tell you what we found.

    We set the four rifles up and then the rest of drove around and at different ranges we tried the 4 rifles in the open sitting on the back of a flat top pickup cover, in the sagebrush where they were in plain sight but were down in the brush and with a person holding them. At least for the old farts that were conducting the test, the stainless did not stand out like the proverbial sore thumb. The stainless units did not cause a reflection no matter how we turned them and they did not appear as bright white units that stood out. We tested with just our normal eyesight as well as with 10 power binoculars.

    What did make a big difference was movement, no matter which gun was being moved. Any one of the units was spotted easily when moved but here again the stainless units were no easier to see than the blued gun. That said, the movement of the guy holding the guns was far more easily spotted than just the movement of the gun. At one of the ranges the guy moving the guns was also skylined and you could see his outline. That made him stand out even more and his movement again showed up more than the movement of the guns.

    The biggest difference of anything we tried, as far as being able to spot the guns, was when the guns were pointed into the sun. The reflections off of the objective lens stood out and was noticable especially when being moved.

    I personally feel that my ss action and barrel are not a problem but you have to go with what makes you feel warm and fuzzy. For a long range gun just shoot what you bring and be happy. If it makes you feel better for a walk/stalk gun then dull it up as much as you want. I still think that reflection on glass or movement will kill you more than the color or pattern of color.
     
  4. älg

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    Agreed.I´d just add that a cammo/profile breaking pattern may disguise some slight movement
     
  5. royinidaho

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    Agree also. Just wondering about patterns. I'm a bit of a do it yourselfer and sandy claus brought me an airbrush.

    After a self imposed crash course and bugging the hell out of the local body shop people after hours of taking pics of scenary and painting an old plastic stock I have this is the first shot at something I'd let someone else see. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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  6. ss7mm

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    Roy:

    I see the two pictures of the scenery but is there supposed to be a gun in there someplace??? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

    Actually it looks pretty good to me. Now just do the bipod and you're ready to go. Is that your winter yote gun??
     
  7. royinidaho

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    An aged FEM 722 in 222REM. My Walk & Stalk and call go to gun. Its been to hades and back. Has a 26" bbl. Really like it. Pushes the little 40gr Vmax pretty well. Coyote accurate but not much more...

    Have one of those 270AMs coming for reaching out and touching. I'm really good at getting them to hang up out there @ 600+yds.....
     
  8. Buffalobob

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    Deer see ultraviolet- UV and use it as a danger signal. For bowhunting I take everything in a dark room and black light it. Anything that glows is trouble. Colors close to violet in wavelenght should be avoided for deer and I suppose elk.

    I know that almost all commercial detergent have "brightners" which are just UV reflectors. Whether this is true of paints I don't know. I do not know what the color range is for night vision animals such a coyotes nor do I know the band width for daytime. whatever a dog or wolf has is probably the same for a coyote.

    I would personally go with the Matt Kenseth #17 black and yellow Dewalt Ford paint job if it was me.
     
  9. Ballistic64

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    Deer seeing the UV spectrum has never been proven and the biggest advocate of this theory is the maker of UV Killer clothes wash.
     
  10. 41mag

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    WEll for what is's worth, the critters around where we hunt come in two classes. Either they are totally blind and will walk dang near on top of you no matter what, or they will pick you out from halfway across the cotton patch while you completly camo'ed with the sun at your back.

    As for what we use, mainly earthtone colors for paint jobs on the rifles, and our clothes are bottom land camo. My stuff is surplus and blends in perfectly in the woods, and in the open fields I generally just wear my brown carharts. Seem to blend right in with the dead grasses.

    Movement will do you in more times than not, however, we have had deer as well as hogs come right up to within 20yds or less of us walking down the road. Really erks ya sometimes, cause they generally do it when your right in the middle of some sort of work you just can't stop. Or of course when you don't have a gun, heck they look like they are coming in for a hand out. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
     
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    Nice work Roy! Takin orders?
     
  12. lerch

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    I have a big 50cal HBR stock on order from McMillan that will be 40%Black---30%White---30%Grey

    should look nice as long as it doesnt come out looking like a dang zebra!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

    steve
     
  13. royinidaho

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    Sure, for your car too /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
     
  14. royinidaho

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    should look nice as long as it doesnt come out looking like a dang zebra!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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    Won't look like a dang zebra but how about an appaloosa's ass /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif