Pete Lincoln
Well-Known Member
well guys i have use both types of scope, ie, with 1st and 2nd focal plain reticles. to me a scope in the 2nd focal plain is purely a target or varminting scope. For all other applications i would always choose the 1st focal plain.
this thoery of the reticle covering to much of the targetat higher XX's is pure bull because the reticle stays exactly the same size in relation to the target size irrelevant of which power setting you are on.so that blows the match stick at low xx and telegraph pole at high xx. and the post reticle is for use in complete darkness using only moon light, thats why its so thick, it can be used with excellent precision during day light dur to the fine tip of the reticle giving a good aiming point. You can range at any setting using your reticle. lets say you see a target in your bino's out at distance and want to range it, its almost dark and you can't make the target out with the scope wound up at 15x 0r 10x, but you can at 6x, so with your 2nd focal plain scope you are screwed because the thing only works on one magnification, with your 1st focal plain you are on the money because it works at all magnifications. any of you who have done much long range shooting will know that any magnification above about 15x is often useless due to mirage. Now if i can shoot roe deer (about coyotee size animal with a vital zone the size of the small plate you eat your pastry of) with a S&B PMII 3-12x50 out to 700m with the scope set on 12x then i'm sure some of you accomplished rifle men can do even better with the same set up. But lets point one thing out,, the S&B and some of the other scimilar scopes are designed as a sniper scope, sniping is hunting. They do tend to have a slightly thicker reticle than a dedicated target scope and as such subtend more of the target.These are one shot one kill scopes, the bullet will undoubtably go where you put the cross hair but if you aretrying to shoot tiny groups at long range then i would suggest you buy a dedicated target scope with a fine target style reticle.. just don't go hunting at dawn or dusk with your target scope because you won't be able to see the **** reticle.
I woudln't trust a US Optics scope as far as i could throw it. I've broke every leupold i ever had and if i could be persuaded to buy another then only from Prem reticles. The jury is still out on the NXS.
If some one asked me now to go into harms way and put my life on the line depending an a scope then there is only one that i would without question be able to pick and that is the S&B PMII line of scopes.
You usualy get what you pay for in the optics world.
Pete
this thoery of the reticle covering to much of the targetat higher XX's is pure bull because the reticle stays exactly the same size in relation to the target size irrelevant of which power setting you are on.so that blows the match stick at low xx and telegraph pole at high xx. and the post reticle is for use in complete darkness using only moon light, thats why its so thick, it can be used with excellent precision during day light dur to the fine tip of the reticle giving a good aiming point. You can range at any setting using your reticle. lets say you see a target in your bino's out at distance and want to range it, its almost dark and you can't make the target out with the scope wound up at 15x 0r 10x, but you can at 6x, so with your 2nd focal plain scope you are screwed because the thing only works on one magnification, with your 1st focal plain you are on the money because it works at all magnifications. any of you who have done much long range shooting will know that any magnification above about 15x is often useless due to mirage. Now if i can shoot roe deer (about coyotee size animal with a vital zone the size of the small plate you eat your pastry of) with a S&B PMII 3-12x50 out to 700m with the scope set on 12x then i'm sure some of you accomplished rifle men can do even better with the same set up. But lets point one thing out,, the S&B and some of the other scimilar scopes are designed as a sniper scope, sniping is hunting. They do tend to have a slightly thicker reticle than a dedicated target scope and as such subtend more of the target.These are one shot one kill scopes, the bullet will undoubtably go where you put the cross hair but if you aretrying to shoot tiny groups at long range then i would suggest you buy a dedicated target scope with a fine target style reticle.. just don't go hunting at dawn or dusk with your target scope because you won't be able to see the **** reticle.
I woudln't trust a US Optics scope as far as i could throw it. I've broke every leupold i ever had and if i could be persuaded to buy another then only from Prem reticles. The jury is still out on the NXS.
If some one asked me now to go into harms way and put my life on the line depending an a scope then there is only one that i would without question be able to pick and that is the S&B PMII line of scopes.
You usualy get what you pay for in the optics world.
Pete