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Resizing with full length or neck sizing die?
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<blockquote data-quote="BountyHunter" data-source="post: 427364" data-attributes="member: 12"><p>Mike </p><p> </p><p>This is as logical as it gets to the question of which is best for "accuracy".</p><p> </p><p>No one said anything abut FL size H2O variance, but that has zero to do with sizing so got to say that is in left field</p><p>No one said FL size will reduce TIR, but then neither will NS. So what is the point. However a properly sized die will undisputably. </p><p> </p><p>As to the tension variance, that certainly is debatable when you consider a "NS only" case indisputably will continue to grow and work harden at a larger size each time due to less spring back and WHEN resized finally will not normally come down as uniformly as a case minimally sized each time.</p><p> </p><p>Can anyone explain the concept in detail how a case body is allowed to grow each shot and work harden often at different rates and how that is an accuracy enhancing attribute over a case that is minimally sized each time to a uniform dimension? I have been waited for this explanation for a long time. To me, that belief has to defy all concepts of logic.</p><p> </p><p>Now you mention sizing in three steps with separate dies as working. I would agree because it is not NS, rather it is FL sizing using 3 different dies, hopefully matching so what is the point. Anyway you cut it, that is still FL sizing, not NS unless we have suddenly redefined NS only sizing.</p><p> </p><p>98% of the weekly problems you attribute to FL sizing are simply due to improperly adjusted and ill fitting dies which is another problem all together and has absolutely zero relevance to the FL or NS question factually. </p><p> </p><p>The big arguement for NS only seems to be is that it is the answer technique that does not do it all the way right, but is harder to mess up? OK, I will buy that one as long as we are only talking about "hunting accuracy" and "doing well " whatever that is.</p><p> </p><p>However, most guys here at not talking simple "hunting accuracy (.5-.75 MOA) and doing well"; they are after maximum accuracy. Max accuracy is the same for short range BR, LR BR, Palma, NRA LR or hunting. The steps and process are the same normally, the parameters of accuracy are defined slightly differently but in the end, most of the top shooters in any of those have learned that to get the best accuracy, you FL size. You control the brass dimensions totally. Now it can be one step or three, but it is still sizing the whole full length of the case not just the neck.</p><p> </p><p>We know for a fact that a 338 Lapua case can be FL sized 54 times in a proper fitting die and shoot a world record of five shots in 1.4" at 1000 (Tom Sarver and his 300 Hulk). That set of cases was finally canned at 84 reloads. Has anyone seen a NS only case do that?</p><p> </p><p>BH</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BountyHunter, post: 427364, member: 12"] Mike This is as logical as it gets to the question of which is best for "accuracy". No one said anything abut FL size H2O variance, but that has zero to do with sizing so got to say that is in left field No one said FL size will reduce TIR, but then neither will NS. So what is the point. However a properly sized die will undisputably. As to the tension variance, that certainly is debatable when you consider a "NS only" case indisputably will continue to grow and work harden at a larger size each time due to less spring back and WHEN resized finally will not normally come down as uniformly as a case minimally sized each time. Can anyone explain the concept in detail how a case body is allowed to grow each shot and work harden often at different rates and how that is an accuracy enhancing attribute over a case that is minimally sized each time to a uniform dimension? I have been waited for this explanation for a long time. To me, that belief has to defy all concepts of logic. Now you mention sizing in three steps with separate dies as working. I would agree because it is not NS, rather it is FL sizing using 3 different dies, hopefully matching so what is the point. Anyway you cut it, that is still FL sizing, not NS unless we have suddenly redefined NS only sizing. 98% of the weekly problems you attribute to FL sizing are simply due to improperly adjusted and ill fitting dies which is another problem all together and has absolutely zero relevance to the FL or NS question factually. The big arguement for NS only seems to be is that it is the answer technique that does not do it all the way right, but is harder to mess up? OK, I will buy that one as long as we are only talking about "hunting accuracy" and "doing well " whatever that is. However, most guys here at not talking simple "hunting accuracy (.5-.75 MOA) and doing well"; they are after maximum accuracy. Max accuracy is the same for short range BR, LR BR, Palma, NRA LR or hunting. The steps and process are the same normally, the parameters of accuracy are defined slightly differently but in the end, most of the top shooters in any of those have learned that to get the best accuracy, you FL size. You control the brass dimensions totally. Now it can be one step or three, but it is still sizing the whole full length of the case not just the neck. We know for a fact that a 338 Lapua case can be FL sized 54 times in a proper fitting die and shoot a world record of five shots in 1.4" at 1000 (Tom Sarver and his 300 Hulk). That set of cases was finally canned at 84 reloads. Has anyone seen a NS only case do that? BH [/QUOTE]
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