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<blockquote data-quote="Trickymissfit" data-source="post: 619931" data-attributes="member: 25383"><p>Brother inlaw bought one of the Savage 116's in 30-06 when they first came out. Has the factory trigger in it and bedding. Nothing has been changed other than adding a 3x-9x scope. He shoot 3/4" groups right out of the box with Federal Supremes (I think they were 165's). At the time he didn't reload, and didn't plan on reloading (he does now). With his reloads he is shooting low sixes, and every once in awhile a mid five group. Is this uncommon? I don't know as I've never shot a Savage in 30 caliber anything.</p><p> </p><p>On the otherhand I have two 22-250's and owned another one at one time. All are Savages, and the worst groups were in the mid threes. The one I don't own anymore shot a few groups that were one ragged hole that measured just under .20". The one I replaced it with is not as good, but is still a high two's rifle if I do my part. I have a newer short action that started out in the low threes and is getting better all the time. I shot the older one enough that I lost the throat in it, and did a 3/4" barrel set back with a complete rebed. </p><p> </p><p>Now I also own three Weatherbys in 30-06. Two are MK. V's, and the other is a 30 year old Vanguard. The Vanguard will shoot 150 thru 165's in the half inch range rather consistently. The one MK.V I've shot is a solid 3/4" rifle (the other is still a virgin). These rifles are as factory shipped, and both have Leupold scopes and Redfied bases and rings. I also own a Marlin MR7 in 30-06. It shoots sub inch groups with 165's, but the rifle is also kinda light in weight and not all that much fun to set down and shoot 180's and heavier stuff in. My MK. V. in 270 mag is a solid 3/4" rifle out of the box. I had another Remington 700 ADL in 30-06 that was a very good shooter (sub 3/4" groups), and also had a similar rifle in .270. It shot just as well, but these also were 30 year old guns.</p><p> </p><p>My last two Remingtons are vastly different. One is a 541 with the heavy barrel and two screw action. Dosn't shoot all that well. Maybe 1" groups at 50 yards. I'm not knocking it as I don't know where the problem is yet. I have another 541 with the single screw action and light barrel that will shoot under an inch at 100 yards with the right ammo. (it's also close to 30 years old). Then I saw this 700VS in .223, and just had to have it. It was a rock solid 4.25" rifle with hand loads! I thought it was just me, and loaned it to a couple very well known bench rest shooters, who called me up to ask how I managed to get 4" groups? The barrel was so rough it tore up patches. The bolt seated on a burr that was over .06" tall! The chamber was cut at an angle and .007" off center. And there were major bedding issues. I rebuilt it from one end to the other, and ended up with a 20" barrel (lost about 75fps). It now shoot in the fours (as in .45"). I like the rifle, but also should have been in the trash can from the get go.</p><p>gary</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Trickymissfit, post: 619931, member: 25383"] Brother inlaw bought one of the Savage 116's in 30-06 when they first came out. Has the factory trigger in it and bedding. Nothing has been changed other than adding a 3x-9x scope. He shoot 3/4" groups right out of the box with Federal Supremes (I think they were 165's). At the time he didn't reload, and didn't plan on reloading (he does now). With his reloads he is shooting low sixes, and every once in awhile a mid five group. Is this uncommon? I don't know as I've never shot a Savage in 30 caliber anything. On the otherhand I have two 22-250's and owned another one at one time. All are Savages, and the worst groups were in the mid threes. The one I don't own anymore shot a few groups that were one ragged hole that measured just under .20". The one I replaced it with is not as good, but is still a high two's rifle if I do my part. I have a newer short action that started out in the low threes and is getting better all the time. I shot the older one enough that I lost the throat in it, and did a 3/4" barrel set back with a complete rebed. Now I also own three Weatherbys in 30-06. Two are MK. V's, and the other is a 30 year old Vanguard. The Vanguard will shoot 150 thru 165's in the half inch range rather consistently. The one MK.V I've shot is a solid 3/4" rifle (the other is still a virgin). These rifles are as factory shipped, and both have Leupold scopes and Redfied bases and rings. I also own a Marlin MR7 in 30-06. It shoots sub inch groups with 165's, but the rifle is also kinda light in weight and not all that much fun to set down and shoot 180's and heavier stuff in. My MK. V. in 270 mag is a solid 3/4" rifle out of the box. I had another Remington 700 ADL in 30-06 that was a very good shooter (sub 3/4" groups), and also had a similar rifle in .270. It shot just as well, but these also were 30 year old guns. My last two Remingtons are vastly different. One is a 541 with the heavy barrel and two screw action. Dosn't shoot all that well. Maybe 1" groups at 50 yards. I'm not knocking it as I don't know where the problem is yet. I have another 541 with the single screw action and light barrel that will shoot under an inch at 100 yards with the right ammo. (it's also close to 30 years old). Then I saw this 700VS in .223, and just had to have it. It was a rock solid 4.25" rifle with hand loads! I thought it was just me, and loaned it to a couple very well known bench rest shooters, who called me up to ask how I managed to get 4" groups? The barrel was so rough it tore up patches. The bolt seated on a burr that was over .06" tall! The chamber was cut at an angle and .007" off center. And there were major bedding issues. I rebuilt it from one end to the other, and ended up with a 20" barrel (lost about 75fps). It now shoot in the fours (as in .45"). I like the rifle, but also should have been in the trash can from the get go. gary [/QUOTE]
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