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<blockquote data-quote="Dehyman" data-source="post: 1742055" data-attributes="member: 95439"><p>There are a number of subjects i would like to address here. First my credentials: I have been in Search and Rescue for over 40 years and am presently commander of a SAR unit with jurisdiction over a county which is significantly larger than New Jersey. I also work ski patrol and am a mission pilot for Civil Air Patrol. Over the years I have been involved in more than 1000 searches. This hunting season has been busy. I have been involved in 4 extended searches. We found the subject in 3 of them with one still alive.</p><p>Here are some points to think about: this hunter is a 69 year old "flatlander" (anyone from low elevation) . What kind of physical shape is he in? How experienced is he in wilderness travel? In the Uinta mountains one can drive to 9000' elevation. At the ski area we have had to airlift teenagers to hospital suffering from acute mountain sickness at 9000'. I am not involved with this particular search but it has been well covered on the major TV stations out of Salt Lake. </p><p>In every extended search there is a point where the emphasis changes from a rescue to a recovery. The point when this person just could not have survived. The Utah people were at that point. We just suspended a search for a 44 year old local on the 7th day. Sounds quick, but we had 2 days of 50-70 mph winds and then a 12" dump of snow. If he wasn't Delta Force, Navy Seal or Bear Grylls he would not survive. Most people have neither the physical stamina nor the mental toughness and tenacity to handle that. WE had planes out and an Air Force chopper with thermal imaging and searchers for 5 days and 4 dog teams, one of which had already made a cadaver find. Then the snow which wiped out any scent trails and covered up any frozen body so the cadaver dogs had nothing to work with.</p><p>It is interesting that you called the online piece a "story". That it is. Fiction. There is no way that "10's of 1000's" of people go missing in our parks. I would be surprised if that number were 10's 0f 10's. The point is that at some time a search must be suspended. Resources need to be conserved and money is just one of those. There are also human issues and the dogs and aircraft. How many 12 hour days can searchers and dog teams work especially since most of our SAR teams are volunteer. The snow means they will work twice as hard to go half as fast, especially when one needs to stop to pull ice lumps from between the dog's bleeding toes. The park ranger needs to decide whether it makes more sense to continue to look for a presumed dead person or take care of his park, things like clean the bathrooms and empty garbage cans- he does not have the personnel for both. These are the things that the 99.999% of the people visiting the park will complain about. Just saying.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dehyman, post: 1742055, member: 95439"] There are a number of subjects i would like to address here. First my credentials: I have been in Search and Rescue for over 40 years and am presently commander of a SAR unit with jurisdiction over a county which is significantly larger than New Jersey. I also work ski patrol and am a mission pilot for Civil Air Patrol. Over the years I have been involved in more than 1000 searches. This hunting season has been busy. I have been involved in 4 extended searches. We found the subject in 3 of them with one still alive. Here are some points to think about: this hunter is a 69 year old "flatlander" (anyone from low elevation) . What kind of physical shape is he in? How experienced is he in wilderness travel? In the Uinta mountains one can drive to 9000' elevation. At the ski area we have had to airlift teenagers to hospital suffering from acute mountain sickness at 9000'. I am not involved with this particular search but it has been well covered on the major TV stations out of Salt Lake. In every extended search there is a point where the emphasis changes from a rescue to a recovery. The point when this person just could not have survived. The Utah people were at that point. We just suspended a search for a 44 year old local on the 7th day. Sounds quick, but we had 2 days of 50-70 mph winds and then a 12" dump of snow. If he wasn't Delta Force, Navy Seal or Bear Grylls he would not survive. Most people have neither the physical stamina nor the mental toughness and tenacity to handle that. WE had planes out and an Air Force chopper with thermal imaging and searchers for 5 days and 4 dog teams, one of which had already made a cadaver find. Then the snow which wiped out any scent trails and covered up any frozen body so the cadaver dogs had nothing to work with. It is interesting that you called the online piece a "story". That it is. Fiction. There is no way that "10's of 1000's" of people go missing in our parks. I would be surprised if that number were 10's 0f 10's. The point is that at some time a search must be suspended. Resources need to be conserved and money is just one of those. There are also human issues and the dogs and aircraft. How many 12 hour days can searchers and dog teams work especially since most of our SAR teams are volunteer. The snow means they will work twice as hard to go half as fast, especially when one needs to stop to pull ice lumps from between the dog's bleeding toes. The park ranger needs to decide whether it makes more sense to continue to look for a presumed dead person or take care of his park, things like clean the bathrooms and empty garbage cans- he does not have the personnel for both. These are the things that the 99.999% of the people visiting the park will complain about. Just saying. [/QUOTE]
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