Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
Articles
Latest reviews
Author list
Classifieds
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles and first posts only
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Forums
Hunting
Long Range Hunting & Shooting
Pics of Berger Bullets NOT Performing????
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 847818" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>If you want consistency and uniformity, nothing beats a lath turned mono. I've done some weighing and measuring and the jacketed bullets have some variations in them but they're good enough for good accuracy.</p><p></p><p>BTW, I just put one of Rich's creations in the concentricity gauge and a 230 Berger. Both were about .001 runout. Plenty good enough in my book. They will both make small groups in the right rifle.</p><p></p><p>In order to make a tip function as an expander you have to cut away part of the bullets nose so you get enough surface area from the tip pushing against the nose of the bullet. When you replace that with poly, you lower the SD of the bullet the BC slightly. Do they work? For the most part yes. But so do the Bergers. The metal tips can be pointed to a fine point and are tougher than the polys and you loose less SD with them.</p><p></p><p>I have had the Barnes TTSX tips break off when cycled through mag and chamber. I was not impressed with that. No poly tips for me other than the Hornady 53 gr Vmax's that my Vanguard 223 likes. </p><p></p><p>Gerard (not Gerald BTW) is highly experienced in the knowledge of external and terminal ballistics. He does know what he is talking about but sometimes uses hyperbole to get his point across. Tips are an obstruction to expansion, but not a complete obstruction. If you removed the tip, the bullet would open much more readily and explosively. So tips are in reality a control of expansion.</p><p></p><p>Yes, when you make the HP meplat smaller it will reduce the expansion characteristic s of the bullet. The charateristics of the jacket and core play a role in that as well. With GS bullets, Gerard uses pure soft copper for a couple of reason, one being better expansion characteristics. You will not find any of his bullets with meplats as small as Bergers or CEB's. He thinks more like JE and It's hard to argue with that philosophy. He would rather sacrifice a little BC for guaranteed results. The vast majority of his bullets are for hunting inside of 500 yards. That said, the Bergers and CEB's seem to perform well as noted with Broz's 19 for 19 record last year. Hard to argue with that as well.</p><p></p><p>One last thing. A tip is a complicating factor in a simple design. The bullet becomes a more complex structure. The general rule of thumb is when you complicate things the chance for complications increases, such racking a TTSX into the chamber with a broken tip or the tip just fails to do what is expected like in Paul's case.</p><p></p><p>I'll stick with the Bergers or CEB's and I'll shoot big heavy bullets out of big cartridge rifles to increase the odds, at least for the larger game like elk.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 847818, member: 11717"] If you want consistency and uniformity, nothing beats a lath turned mono. I've done some weighing and measuring and the jacketed bullets have some variations in them but they're good enough for good accuracy. BTW, I just put one of Rich's creations in the concentricity gauge and a 230 Berger. Both were about .001 runout. Plenty good enough in my book. They will both make small groups in the right rifle. In order to make a tip function as an expander you have to cut away part of the bullets nose so you get enough surface area from the tip pushing against the nose of the bullet. When you replace that with poly, you lower the SD of the bullet the BC slightly. Do they work? For the most part yes. But so do the Bergers. The metal tips can be pointed to a fine point and are tougher than the polys and you loose less SD with them. I have had the Barnes TTSX tips break off when cycled through mag and chamber. I was not impressed with that. No poly tips for me other than the Hornady 53 gr Vmax's that my Vanguard 223 likes. Gerard (not Gerald BTW) is highly experienced in the knowledge of external and terminal ballistics. He does know what he is talking about but sometimes uses hyperbole to get his point across. Tips are an obstruction to expansion, but not a complete obstruction. If you removed the tip, the bullet would open much more readily and explosively. So tips are in reality a control of expansion. Yes, when you make the HP meplat smaller it will reduce the expansion characteristic s of the bullet. The charateristics of the jacket and core play a role in that as well. With GS bullets, Gerard uses pure soft copper for a couple of reason, one being better expansion characteristics. You will not find any of his bullets with meplats as small as Bergers or CEB's. He thinks more like JE and It's hard to argue with that philosophy. He would rather sacrifice a little BC for guaranteed results. The vast majority of his bullets are for hunting inside of 500 yards. That said, the Bergers and CEB's seem to perform well as noted with Broz's 19 for 19 record last year. Hard to argue with that as well. One last thing. A tip is a complicating factor in a simple design. The bullet becomes a more complex structure. The general rule of thumb is when you complicate things the chance for complications increases, such racking a TTSX into the chamber with a broken tip or the tip just fails to do what is expected like in Paul's case. I'll stick with the Bergers or CEB's and I'll shoot big heavy bullets out of big cartridge rifles to increase the odds, at least for the larger game like elk. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Hunting
Long Range Hunting & Shooting
Pics of Berger Bullets NOT Performing????
Top