People posting public land as "private no trespassing" ?

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  1. ol mike

    ol mike Well-Known Member

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    ss7mm's question got me thinking of this.

    How many people have expierenced someone? putting "no trespassing" signs up on public land ?
    I have -when i lived in georgia it was common for the locals to put up signs to keep other hunters out.
    A friend of mine told me about a public place where i could coyote hunt when squirrel season came in - i got there and it was posted.Found out later that this is a common problem w/ public land.

    It is worse in n.georgia -hunters who live in the area feel like this is "their" spot so they sneek and post it ,other hunters seem to not pursue whether or not it is public land.VERY frustrating let me tell you.

    I've seen BLM land posted in the owyhee desert of southwestern Idaho and asked a rancher about it when i was in another spot -he said -don't worry about those signs -you can go in there [after he decided he liked me enough].

    I think it should be illegal to block -right of way- to public land .
    Also people who have the mentality -don't step on MY LAND make me sick ..

    Anyway who's seen this senario ?
     
  2. AJ Peacock

    AJ Peacock Well-Known Member

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    I've seen it in Western Colorado.

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    ol mike
    The Owyhee desert is notorious for that in southwest Idaho. At least that has been my experience. You need a good map and know where you are at. I have a buddy that used to outfit down there and he lined me out as to what was going on. It probably happens all over the country. You just need to know where you are and if its legal to be there.
     
  4. royinidaho

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    ol mike,

    It is especially prevalent around this neck of the woods.

    There is 240 acres behind my house that is grazing leased BIA ground. The Leasee, another neighbor, has his personal property, 140 acres on each side fo this lease posted. The personal propery posting is ok by me..

    He posted it all several years ago. The BIA says, nope ya can't do that. Nevertheless people don't like to take the risk.

    I camo up, read ghillie suit, and go back there an make noise just to be obnoxious.

    But he pissed me off last year, after I got permission from to hunt yotes there, he took my steel yote. It was my sight in target @ 830 yds.

    Another neighbor needs some more grazing ground, so a couple of us "sportsman" are teaming with him for the lease next year. We'll drive the price to where it will be senseless to a cattle man. (I just hate people that do that, but they should have been straight with me.

    We will then post it for non-motorized transportation. That leaves only "shanks pony" and horses.

    Plus its land locked. Only accessable through the guy that gave me that Boar for testing's property.

    Life is gonna get sweet about then.:D

    Lots of yotes, mule deer, white tails, elk, a woof now and again and a 1200 gong. It doesn't get any better than that. Plus the bit of a burr under a prick's saddle.;)
     
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    I've seen it in Wyoming. It is against the law to post any kind of sign on any BLM land at any time for any reason. Unfortunatly it is a law that is seldom enforced. If you complain to your local BLM office, they should look into it. If you ever have someone try to kick you off public land, call the local sheriff. Grazing rights does not mean exclusive rights to the land.
     
  6. NONYA

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    Caught an outfitter doing it on some state land near Augusta MT,after his no tresspassing signs disappeared he posted new signs warning hunters that they needed a GPS to hunt this land or they would be prosecuted for tresspassing as one of the boundrys is not fenced and you have to use a map or gps to locate it.After those signs disappeared he started hanging out there all morning to keep others from walking in then droppin off his clients for evening hunts,I calle him on it and he threatened to call the F&G,I called them myself and he took off,the old game wardnen in town told me this wanna b outfitter was running his operation on several small pieces of state land in the area and wasnt even from MT.He put up the same stupid gps signs last year and they disappeared right away,Im pretty sure its illegal to post ANYTHING on public land but this POS has been at it for years and hasnt been punished for it,hes only around during hunting season and I cant get his name to turn him into the F&G here.
     
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    I've seen it a bunch in Colorado, usually its the landowners of big ranches that post outside their property trying to get a buffer zone around their ranch for whatever reason. I've had them to threaten me with calling the game warden and order me to "get off their property", even when I've produced a map showing where the boundary of public property lies. Usually they shut up real fast when I offer to call the game warden myself. Sure helps to have a GPS at times like that. It gets almost laughable when they say things like "well I don't care what the map says, its wrong!".
     
  8. ol mike

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    I make sure i know "according to a map provided by the state and a delorme map + my gps" .
    Usually they post it by the gates then wire the gate closed w/ twenty five wraps of barb-wire -i keep a pair of heavy-duty wire cutting pliers in my truck and cut the wire to bits and throw it on the ground -then take the sign w/ me.
    I pulled 50yds. inside the a gate once and put the no trespassing sign on my truck .

    I've been tempted to get some cheap signs made " public land here " and post them everytime i go down there.

    People wonder why some A-hol would go out and damage a ranchers property ? well from what i've seen of many of the rancher/outfitter types -many aren't the wholesome good hearted folks that some - think they are.
    Wyoming is the worst place i've been -there is no such thing as public land around kaycee ,wyoming as far as the locals are concerned -they charge people to shoot praire-dogs on public land there.
    I've seen several "outfitters" who specify -"" no gps "" -know why b/c they say they are taking you to private land but it's public land that they've posted.
    I'm a firm believer that two wrongs don't make a right ! any one who illegally posts public land deserves serious punishment just like someone who destroys another mans property.

    From boise to mccall [120mi.] heading north on hwy 55 almost all the land is posted -much of it is boise and payette national forest land -if my map says shows public it's public as far as i'm concerned.

    Roy and Nonya -i'd go out of my way stop those b@&!@rds from posting land that belongs to the people/public.
     
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    Was hunting the Long Pines area in Montana a few years ago. A rancher/outfitter had the county road gated and locked= No problem I took the gate off the hinges, twisted it up and threw it in the ditch still locked to the post!!
    Mikes right the Kaycee area is bad for Dudes thinking they can keep you out of Public land. In most cases they can make it difficult to get to cause a lot of the roads are privet but in most cases you can get to public land you just have to be a little creative. Just make sure you know where you are at cause the state favors a land owner in a tresspass complaint:(
    I've had a lot of Dudes try to throw me off BLM and State land, aint a one of them succeeded, one even called the sheriff on me only to find out I was in the right. The only reason I go back to that area is to harass the Dude :D
     
  10. silvertip-co

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    ...seen it a lot in PA yrs ago. It's an old trick that rarely works.
     
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    Roney's (Owners of NU SKIN) own a large chunk of property north and west of Deer Creek, Utah. Several years ago I worked on the property. I learned the north boundary well during the course of my duties. A couple weeks later I was hunting a bench 3/4 of a mile below the ridge thier property line ran on. The trail was freshly posted. Knowing I was on public land, I continued hunting. Just as a herd of elk started feeding out of the brush a four wheeler comes off the ridge spooking the elk.

    Fellow on the four wheeler tells me I'm trespassing and better get movin' pronto. The hell I am, I said. The property you just came from belongs to the Roneys, and the property line is clear up on the ridge you just rode off of. Well, he says, It'd be awful easy to wander up there. This is the best place to post it. Get the hell out of here, I told him.

    He rode back up on the ridge, then rode up and down it to run the elk off. I called the sherrif. They took my info over the phone. I doubt anything was done. These people own thousands of acres up there, and have to post every convenient bit of public land too. Classy bunch.

    For those that were paying attention, that was the owners of NU SKIN. Feel free to buy somebody elses beauty products. They'll never be in my house.
     
  12. mo

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    My friend and I have been antelope hunting in WY. for years. It seems like no matter what area we draw we run in to that problem. Jimbo is pretty sharp on reading the area maps, but since we are from out of state we always turn around, even though we're 99% sure that someone is just trying to keep people of OUR land....
     
  13. ol mike

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    That's a good story Grit .

    It does take a lot of nerve to be that big of an a$$#*!!*,the problem is people don't push the issue and nothing ever happens to them.

    Nu Skin -I'll remember it sucks.



    Mo30284 ,i know how it is when you've travelled that far to hunt and just want to enjoy yourself for that few short days per year !
    When i know i'm on public land -i tear down every posted sign i see ! I'm as easy going as they come but when i know some jerk is doing stuff like this i welcome a confrontation.

    As state earlier - a place i hunt in the owyhee desert had 'new' signs put up around the end of august -until i got there-.

    It's beyond me how a person or family who own a 50,000 -100,000 acre ranch thinks they own all the public land around them to.
    I guess it's in their genes.
     
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