Ok, @ Elk Questions for Starters

Discussion in 'Elk Hunting' started by Slimwallet, Apr 14, 2008.

  1. Slimwallet

    Slimwallet Member

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    Gents,

    Need two elk rifle/caliber recommendations.... Have money to spend but not throw away.

    Set-up A:

    I am recoil averse, want to range out to 400 yards and prefer a std "ammo available everywhere" set-up. No muzzle brakes allowed. Need to be able to carry it over hill and dale. Been thinking 7-08, 280 Rem...30.06..7 RM or 300 WM....prefer less recoil so ????

    Set-up B:

    Sitting in a stand with a solid rest.... muzzle brake OK..... want to go out to 600 yards. Need a scope recommendation here as well.

    Thanks for your thoughts...

    Slim
     
  2. Buffalobob

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    Slimwallet

    Save your money and build one really good rifle. Get it with a brake and a cap. The rifle may print a little different with the brake off and the cap on but that is just the same as two rifles.

    So here is my advice.

    Buy a good custom action
    Buy a good barrel
    Buy a really excellent scope and I mean first class glass and a good pair of binoculars and once again I mean first class glass.
    Pay an excellent smith (surprisingly enough the really good ones don't cost anymore than the mediocre ones)

    Calibers are what strikes your fancy and I have my preferences that have very little to do with killing animals. Anything from a 257 Wby, 264 Win Mag, the 7's you have listed to the 300 Win Mag would be good. The one I would like but have never used is the 7STW. I think it would be just perfect for a 600 yard elk that suddenly shows up at 800 yards. Put a 160 Accubond in it and recoil will be manageable although not enjoyable (I'm so wimpy). If later on you want to shoot further than 600 yards then the Berger 180 is available but the recoil will be more with the heavier bullet but you won't notice it with a brake.

    For a scope, the Nightforce is hard to beat. A 3.5-15 X 50mm or 56mm depending on your age and eyesight. This would give you all of the close up shooting advantage plus 15 power is plenty for 600 yards as darkness falls.
     

  3. Slimwallet

    Slimwallet Member

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    B-Bob's Advice

    BuffaloBob,

    Ok, I think you are making a good point. I have a 30.06 that I shoot well enough that can be re-scoped to handle the closer shots and lugging over hill and dale.

    So, then.... the custom would be ...say 9-11 pounds with scope, have a brake....If it has a brake and I want no more than say...308 recoil... what does that indicate as far as a cartridge? What in the 7mm or 30 cal range should I be looking at?

    Also, would one review the forums and "discover" who the good smiths are? I guess so.

    Thanks for the advice Bob,

    Slim
     
  4. DONTSTROKEME

    DONTSTROKEME Well-Known Member

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    I have a 270 WSM, I am using the 140 NAB....a littlt light for LR Elk but I am self-imposing a 500 yard max untill the 150gr Berger comes out. I would say that being able to place a well constructed bullet accuratly would be the greatest asset, not always the biggest. A 270 Win works very well for Elk and has for a long time. If I was going to build a light recoiling backpack rifle I would use a 7-08 without a brake, I don't mind recoil so I went with my WSM.

    Best glass you can buy and best barrel you can buy.....if you can't afford either of those just make sure that you have an excellent bullet going exactly where you point it.
     
  5. magicofmt

    magicofmt Well-Known Member

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    My $.02. Sell the 06 and go with one custom to do it all.
    Test, shoot, reload, etc... and you have a great all round gun.
    Kirby Allen is my recommendation for a smith, he does all my smith work. Email him (Fiftydriver) and he'll get you one rifle that will do it all. Muzzelbrake you can screw break on for sight in, take it off while hunting.
    28 in Lilja barrel, Lone Wolf stock, Rem 700 action should get you an amazing light gun. 270 AM if you reload, 7STW if not. Hope I didn't make it harder now to chose.
     
  6. Bigcat_hunter

    Bigcat_hunter Well-Known Member

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    If your not going to shoot past 400 then just get a 30-06. I have shot a $300.00 winchester model 70 (walmart special) for the last 12 years for close range stuff. (165 partitions) Hell, the scope is worth three times what the gun is worth. But it will shoot moa and thats good enough for close stuff.

    I would personally step up to a 300 shortmag for 600+ yards. A trigger and bedding job etc. Get a limbsaver pad and you should not need a break. Plus a good scope with turrets and some knowledge.
     
  7. norsepeak

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    I agree, one good custom and excellent glass. I like the .270 class rifles, I have 4 of them, or for a little more hp, 270 mag, 284 or step up to the 7 class guns. Not bad recoil and they will reach out where you want to be. Most important, make sure the gun fits YOU and is what YOU want, not what your neighbor or the guy at the local Wally world says is "the best rifle for you".
     
  8. Nomad

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    Go with a AI 280 no need of a brake it will shoot a
    standard 280 rem and its flat shooting shoots
    with the 7 mags less powder and less kick...
     
  9. J E Custom

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    Slim

    Go with the 280 and the 300win mag.

    280 can be light and will be great for deer size game to 600yrds + .
    300 win mag good for Elk size game 400yrds+ and with a varmint/sendero
    weight recoil is fine.

    Plus you can buy factory ammo almost any where.

    Just my 2 cents
    J E CUSTOM
     
  10. MontanaRifleman

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    You're going to shoot how far? 600 yds? If that's all the farther you're going to shoot then you don't need a custom. Custom rifles are great but you can get a SAKO 85 for less than half of a custom and have a great 600 yd rifle. And when the barrel wears out in 10 or 20 years, you'll have a great SAKO action to build on with a custom barrel.

    I know a guy with a Sako 75 300 WSM who shoots 1/2 inch groups @ 200 yds with fed blue box ammo. It is easily a 600 yd rifle and potentially a 900 - 1000 yd rifle with the right bullet.

    I agree with with getting real good glass. You could easily get by with an Elite 4200, but A NF 3 1/2 x 15 would be a great choice. The NF would last you a life time.

    The whole set up would wiegh about 9 lb with loaded mag.

    Yeah, a 300 WSM would kick a little on the bench but there are ways to get around that and you would feel little to nothing shooting game in the field.

    300 WSM
    180 AB or TSX or MRX, MV-3000 fps
    165 TSX, MV - 3100+ fps

    This would be a good single elk rifle for hauling around or setting up.
     
  11. Tracer

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    Slimwallet, I'll give you my thoughts OK. You don't like recoil hey! Well then that leaves out the 300 Win mag altogether because that rascal does kick. The 30-06 is A-OK but not a flat a shooting as the 7mm mag and it will reach out to the beyound 400 yard barrier you mentioned. Most guides I have run into over the last 20 years, carry a 7mm mag because it gets the job done and is easy to shoot......not a lot of recoil, making it far more accurate at those LONG RANGE SHOTS.

    I myself am a big fan of the 300 Ultra Mag and the .338 calibers down and up the scale but most of these "KICK" a bit more than many hunters care to deal with, speaking of their shoulder. It took me a good 2 years to master the 300 win mag and another 2 years before the accuracy of my .338 win mag was where I thought it should be on target. My advice once again would be to go the route of the 7mm Remington magnum, using a synthetic stock with a 3 x 9 scope on top the barrel.
     
  12. snowpro440

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    yea if your afraid of recoil get 308 if you can handle a little get the 300wsm with the brake like the browning eclipse then you can take the brake off or leave it on when you shoot at the bench . this gun is very capable of shooting 1000 ydsgun)I have one and its not a belted case so you dont have to buy special dies to resize down to the belt like the belted mags [ theres an extra $80] so you actually get more gun for the moneyge(
     
  13. 338 bruce

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    I bought my 85 lb daughter a 338 fed and put a burris bal plex scope on it. It will reach out to 650 yds and has very little recoil, and it is still a 338 when it hits on the other end.
     
  14. Tracer

    Tracer Well-Known Member

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    338-Bruce......You really did that hey! Why don't you get her a .500 S&W with a brake on the front end and she would not have to carry so much weight. LOL