Visiting with a fella @ church this morning. A couple of his acquaintances fro out of state came up for a desert elk hunt. One shot an cow at normal distances. The other shot a spike at 87 yards. Shot was spot on and got complete penetrations. The bull ran about 100 yards then piled up. Other than this fella is/was #6 rated archer in his home state I have no details. It takes quite a bit to get within arrow distance of an elk in sage brush.