Nikon m223 scope mount?

Discussion in 'AR15/10 Rifles' started by threejones, Feb 10, 2012.

  1. threejones

    threejones Well-Known Member

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    I thought I might save a few bucks and try the Nikon M223 scope mount for my new Bison 6.8SPC AR. But I've never delt with scoping an AR before. Has anyone tried one? If guys haven't liked em, I'll just get a Larue. But for a third the price, the Nikon had better suck pretty bad. What do you fellas think?
    Thanx
    Cody
     
  2. wiiicgun

    wiiicgun Active Member

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    Have the M223 scope with a Burris PEPR. heard nothing but good things about the Burris PEPR (about $90 @ Midway). All good. They came out with a quick detach model also for about $10 more.
     

  3. threejones

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    Thanx, I'll give it a look.
    Cody
     
  4. DennisH8706

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    The one that I had sucked. I had to return it because the base was machined incorrectly and wouldn't clamp down parallell to the bore, so much so that I was out of windage adjustment and couldn't zero my rifle. Luckily midway took care of me and even refunded the shipping because the item was defective. Take a look at American Defense bases: https://www.primaryarms.com/American_Defense_ADRECON_1_Inch_20_MOA_p/ad-recon -1-20 moa.htm

    For $60 more its a hell of a base. I've looked into them extensively and have found from my research they are better than LaRue and actually return to zero. Although I've never owned one, I would buy this with confidence that it will work.

    I ended up just buying TPS 300mm extra tall rings for my AR since I don't need 20 MOA untill I shoot out past 800 yards, which I never do anyway. 600 is about the farthest I shoot with my AR, anything more and I'll grab the .308. The scope on my AR is Leupold's new VX-R Patrol 3x9x40 with 1/10 mil/mil. You might want to look into that if you ever consider selling your Nikon.

    Hope this helped, Dennis
     
  5. Bman940

    Bman940 Well-Known Member

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    Dennis, That is the first Nikon M-223 AR Mount I have heard of not working correctly. They are produced by a very well known and respected mount manuf. that has been in the business for a long time. I guess eventually there's going to be one to fail, like I said, your's was the first. I am glad to hear Midway took care of you. They have great customer service and that definitely help's their business.
    I have been using these Mount's on all my AR's and turned many folk's on to them and all were very happy. New disgnation's for 2012, M-223 Mount no longer has 20 MOA built into it. The M-223 XR MOunt has the 20 MOA built into it. We also have a new P-Series mount that is coming out, 2 piece AR mount which will work great for guy's on a budget retainling for under $50.

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  6. DennisH8706

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    Im sure I just got a lemon but I did have some problems with the way it was designed. The clamp was machined separate from the base probably to cut costs. This means it almost certainly wont return to zero after taking it off and putting it back on. My point isn't to bash nikons product or midway but just to bring to light some design flaws and possible problems others may have. For the money it really isn't a bad mount but for a little more money you can get a better one. I've owned 3 nikon scopes and liked them all, but personally I would use a different base if I were to be in the market for one again. It really comes down to user preference; if you don't plan to remove it once mounted it would be fine but I regularly switch from scope to irons and back again. Plus I guess you could say i'm a little picky.
     
  7. threejones

    threejones Well-Known Member

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    This one will get mounted and stay there, as it's a dedicated hunting gun. Plus my eyesight sucks too much to run irons for shots further away than I can throw a rock (actually not even that far). I assume Nikon warranties their mounts the same as their glass, (maybe Bman could shed a little more light on the that for me) I think I'll steal a Monarch off one of my plinking sticks, so I thought the M223 mount would be a natural choice. But I'm still open to other ideas. I would kinda like something made in the USA, but I'm kind of a cheap ass too:D, so the best bang for the buck will be the deciding factor.
    Thanx again for the input guys,
    Cody
     
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  8. Bman940

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    Cody, The Nikon M-223 AR mount's are made in the USA. While I am a fan of the 1 piece AR mount, I was impressed by our new P-Series mount's. Lots of different application's that is for sure.
     
  9. threejones

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    Thanx Bart, I meant to say "Bman could shed..." in my last post, not that I don't value what Dennis had to say as well, but... brain fart... But I was hoping you'd give me an answer. I'm glad to see that they're made in USA. Do the M223s have the Nikon Lifetime Warranty as well? And where do you think I find the best price?
    Thanx
    Cody
     
  10. Bman940

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    The warranty on the mount's is 1 year. Sadly I am constantly taking scope's on and off all the time so I bet mine get abused a lot more then most. Swapping out scope's once you get dialed in is hard to do but using different scope's is part of my job. A fun part I might add! So I am at the range tool kit in hand minimum 3 time's a month but usually more. It's always a good time taking someone not familiar with our product's and showing them how everything comes together. Can't wait for the new P-223 Scope to come out. I know there is a lot of interest in it right now just because it is a good scope for under $200.
    This is one of my favorite scope's and rifles. DPMS and M-223 1-4 Point Blank Reticle. It clean's up everythign inside of 200 yards!
    Huge fun!

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  11. threejones

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    Good lookin stick, is the tan Duracoat? What's the difference between the M223 and the P223? I hate to part one of my CZs with it's glass, so the "less than $200" seems worth a look. Not that I mind spending the extra $$$for another Monarch, but I've already spent too much on this rig (and I haven't picked up my furniture for it yet)

    Since I'm picking your brain anyway, I saw something a while back about a Nikon, caliber specific (or maybe load specific) turret, or reticle, or maybe it was the whole scope. I can't remember anything about it at all. I've used Leupy custom turrets, but they were a little spendy. Depending on how the system works, I thought I might get it going for this rig.
    Thanx
    Cody
     
  12. Bman940

    Bman940 Well-Known Member

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    The P-Series is built on the PROSTAFF line of scopes. The New P-223 will be a 3-9 BDC reticle. Built around the .223, 55gr. bullet and 3240 fps MV. There is also a fixed 3X in the P-223 Series as well.
    We came out with the caliber Specific Turret's last year but really started getting them out in July. Some of the guy's I have chaated with who have them are very impressed. I still don't have a set but will soon. I just need to figure out which cal. 300 win or .257 wbymag.
    You will be able to choose the ammo, mv ,BC of whatever cal. you decide on and then have that turret custom made to appropriate distances. One of the real nice thing's about them is that from order to delivery is usually 10 business day's, pretty fast.I think the price is in the $99 range too.

    Nikon Spot On&#153 Custom Turret Program

    I hope this info help's? Sometimes the more answer's you get the more question's you have.
     
  13. threejones

    threejones Well-Known Member

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    Looks like the P223 isn't quite gonna fit the bill for my 6.8SPC, but the Spot On system seems just right. Your right about one question leading to an other, is the Spot On system just for the Monarch line or will it work with the Prostaff/Buckmaster as well?
    Thanx again,
    Cody
    PS, you should be in sales, I just ordered an M223 mount:D.
     
  14. Bman940

    Bman940 Well-Known Member

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    Spot On will help make any BDC reticle more accurate. The things you can do with it are pretty cool. I have not gotten shot's at at least 3 coyote's because I was playing with Spot On data and didn't expect yote's to come in that quickly. It'll also help you with click's and MOA.

    If you notice something that you think should be included in Spot On let me know. We are always trying to get shooters the info they need.