Big male pretty well prime , guess where he took a 17 caliber round. Quite ways out there, 50 yards I take em as i see em, he never made me. I might be dangerous when the new thermal arrives, he was taken with a wicked light at 6:30 am from a deer blind. It appears as if I had an exit near the back end , I didn't think a 17 hornet could penetrate that far, but it blew lots of fur out as seen in the photo?