Newcon Rangefinders

Discussion in 'Long Range Scopes and Other Optics' started by poulter, Jul 3, 2002.

  1. poulter

    poulter New Member

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    Would any one be interested in the Newcon LRM 1500 (monocular) or the LRB 7x50 1500 (binocular/rangefinder) for $270 and $650 respectively? Or any other Newcon product at similar discounts?

    I ask because I am considering stocking some of their products. Right up front I must tell you that I do not accept credit cards. You would have to send funds with the order or have it delivered UPS COD.

    I know this is a little strange. I got interested in a range finder for myself and after looking at what is out there I will be ordering a LRF 1500 in a few days. After seeing what other sources charged I looked into it and found that I could offer them at a considerably lower price.

    I will check my email and this site when I get back in a few days. Newcons web site is Newcon-optik" TARGET=_blank>www.newcon-optik.com.Newcon-optik</A>

    If anyone has any experience, good or bad, with Newcon products please let me know.

    Thank you,

    John Poulter
     

  2. poulter

    poulter New Member

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    I just received a LRM1500 i ordered for myself. It will be some time before I get a chance to get it out in the field. I plan to compare it to a Leica in late August.

    I'll pass along more once I get to use it.

    John
     

  3. Jon A

    Jon A Well-Known Member

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    I just got a set of LRB 7X50's a couple of days ago (for about the same price with shipping you mention from www.binoculars.com ).

    I played with them a bit yesterday. Can't do a "real" test here in yuppyville but here's what I've found so far:

    In very bright sunlight, I was able to range a white building out past 1150. Not very consistant though, it only returned a range about 1/2 the time. In the 900-1000 range it would return a number every time.

    Ranging pine trees (the very "tip top of a particular tree on skyline) it was consistant out to about 850. On a tree with a gap in the foiliage where I could see the trunk, it was good to about 950 aiming on the trunk.

    I suppose being steady makes a difference, right? I was just holding them by hand, leaning against my car--not all that steady.

    I know that bright sunlight is bad. But what's worse, the sun behind you and lighting up the targets or the sun in your face ranging the "shady side" of the targets? I'm guessing the sun being behind you would be worse but that's just a guess. That's how it was yesterday. Maybe I'll do the same test earlier in the day where the conditions would be opposite.

    So far at least, they seem to be doing better that Darryl's report of the Leica 1200's. And they also double as a nice set of binoculars....

    Anyway, I'll put them through a real test (ranging deer) in a couple of weeks when I get back to Montana.
     
  4. Brent

    Brent Well-Known Member

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    Definitely sounds interesting. Haw far at dusk and dawn?
     
  5. kidcoltoutlaw

    kidcoltoutlaw Well-Known Member

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    done any more testing with the rangefinder,thanks,keith
     
  6. PrimeTime

    PrimeTime Well-Known Member

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    I might be interested depending on your test results. Try it on the brightest day and try ranging spots in a field, like maybe a patch of grass that is noticeably darker or a woodchuck mound. It needs to be able to range minimally reflective objects, even in bright light. If it will do this out to 1,000 yards in any conditions, I'd buy one. At dusk in low light, my Yardage Pro 1000 will range a building up to 1200 yards. In practical hunting conditions, on practical hunting targets though, it's worthless much over 650. I hope this one is better but if it's eye safe, I just don't see how.
     
  7. poulter

    poulter New Member

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    I just got back from a prarie dog hunt in Wyoming. I had the Newcon LRM 1500, a Bushnell compact 800 and a Leica 800.

    To be perfectly honest I was not terribly pleased with any of them. We hunted hilly terrain with light to heavy grass cover. There were a few trees here and there. The Newcon had the best optics (see note at end) the Bushnell was almost as good and the Leica was fuzzy.

    Now to the important part, ranging. All three were a disapointment. On the grass they would only range to approximately 300 yards on a consistant basis. On the sage brush they would do a little better. Of the three the leica was the best with ranges of up to 450 yards being given on some of the grassy slopes. All of them ranged over 600 yards to trees.

    Egonomically the Newcon was the easiest to hold steady. Its buttons are also well placed. The Smaller Leica was harder to hold staedy and its button was slightly awkard to reach while holding the unit steady. The Bushnell was somewhere in the middle.

    Unfortunately no one seems to be able to make a portable rangefinder that works every time for less than severl thousand dollars.

    Note: The optics on the Newcon and the Leica are not adjustable. I do not belive that the Bushnell is adjustable but I do not specifically remember. The Newcon and Bushnell were clear for me but the Leica was not. However, another user found the Leica to be very clear for him while the Newcon was not in focus. I looked at our binoculars and found that we have put in opposite corrections on the eyepieces. I use a negative correction while the other user puts in a positive correction. Just something else to consider.

    John
     
  8. titanium

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    Thanks for the report. I have owned the Bushnell 400, 800 and now a Leica 800 trying to sell for a 1200.. I found the older Bushnell optics to be the equivilent of something purchased for a quarter out of a machine. I am very happy with the optics of the Leica. On my particular LRF 800, rotating the eye piece corrects for the standard diopters of poor eye sight.

    steve
     
  9. Ian M

    Ian M Well-Known Member

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    Steve,
    You will like the 1200. I have the 1200 and it is the best of the smaller "hunting-size" lasers that I have used - have used them all so have some background to work from. Very good optics, not pebbly. I also use the Nikon 800 (same unit as the Bushnell 800) for some hunts, and have worn out a Bushnell 1000.

    Rumor has it that Leupold is bringing out a Leica-like model.
     
  10. Nicholas

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    Hi guys I would like to add some of my personal experience with leica's new 1200 LRF.

    I have been bowhunting a lot lately and always bring along the Leica LRF. I could consistantly range out to 700 yards on patches of waist high sagebrush and I consistantly ranged out to 1150 yards on 6-7' ft patches of shrubs. On single trees I could range out to 8-900 yards. All the ranging was done on a very sunny day with no clouds in the sky.

    Needless to say I have very happy with the unit.
     
  11. Jon A

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    Sorry this took so long guys...been busy lately. I did have a chance to test the LRB 7X50's a bit in Montana last month. Overall, I wasn't overly impressed with its performance but I think they'll get the job done for me (for awhile anyway).

    Before I left I found the time to "go hunting in Yuppyville" one more time and found I could range houses out to 1200-1300 yds depending upon their color and if they had a wall that was close to perpendicular to me. It easily ranged the Whidbey Island Ferry out to 1350+ every time, while moving (it's really big and white).

    To Montana:

    It would range large rocks (sandstone color...because they were sandstone [​IMG] ) much like it would houses. If the rock had a large enough flat area perpendicular to me 1300+ was no problem. If it was smaller and/or rounder 1000 or so was pretty much the limit.

    On whitetail deer the limit seemed to be about 800 to 950 depending on how the deer was standing. Deer standing broadside could be ranged farther than deer facing toward or away from me. That's provided they were standing in short grass.

    In waist high alfalfa, it was more difficult. With only their heads and top halves of their backs showing, up to 600 was no problem. But beyond that it was difficult. They had to be standing perfectly broadside to get them out to 700 or so. Good thing there's no tall grass during hunting season. [​IMG] I had to be really steady as well. I didn't use a tripod for any of my tests (I'm sure that would have helped a bunch) since I won't be hunting with one most of the time. I was using rests, though, getting as steady as I possibly could.

    All of the above was in bright sunlight.

    Now for the wierd part--low light conditions. It should do better, right? It didn't. In fact, it did worse. Quite a bit worse as it started to get really dark. Isn't that the opposite of how it is supposed to be with laser rangefinders? I thought it was from what I've read but this is my first rangefinder. Could something be wrong with my unit?

    Something else I noticed--keep a couple of spare batteries handy. I find when I'm glassing I keep pounding on that button to range EVERYTHING in sight...just because it's so much fun. [​IMG] There is a noticable drop off in performance even before you get the low battery indicator. If you can't range something that you could before, change the battery.

    So, would I reccommend it? For about 99.9% of hunters out there (not long range hunters) most definately. It really showed me how impossible it is to accurately estimate range. A deer is 300 yds away. It looks like there's one 50 yds beyond it. That's not a long range shot, right? Wrong, it's really 490, you just don't know it. It's also small enough to be carried and doubles as a fairly decent set of binoculars that can be used for glassing for game at the same time...reducing how many things you have to carry.

    Still a yes for those up to people with similar hunting styles/expectations as me. What does that mean?

    A "walk around" hunter with neither the skill nor equipment to shoot at game animals over 600-700 yds. Somebody that probably won't have a rest more steady than a bi-pod or other "field rest." But somebody that has practiced a bunch and can reach out much farther than the average hunter and really needs to know if the critter is 475 away or 625. If you're going to shoot, you need to know exactly. For that, the LRB 7X50 should get the job done well. Of course I haven't tested the thing "when it counts" yet. We'll see how it does over Thanksgiving.

    For somebody shooting from a benchrest or similiar set-up intending to shoot beyond 800 yds, no. You won't be able to count on the LRB 7X50 every time. You need the Russian laser, the Wild, etc.

    Hope that helps.

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  12. No Fear in Accuracy

    No Fear in Accuracy Well-Known Member

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    [ 10-01-2002: Message edited by: Me? 300 Tomahawk :p ]
     
  13. Ian M

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    This is WAY off topic but you laser-freaks might find it interesting.

    Many years ago a company in the U.S. rebuilt Ruger Mini-14's for law enforcement use. They replaced the wood stock with a very large composite stock that had a butt pad that hinged open at right angles. Open the back and you put in a large rechargeable battery into the stock. Up front was a device that looked like a mag-light, permanently attached under the barrel only it was all steel. Had a little hole in the front plate. There was a heavy wire running back from the cylinder along the barrel into the fore-stock. The trigger was changed to a military two-stage pull c/w an electronic contact or switch. Taking up the first stage turned on a very powerfull laser that emitted from the maglight-like device. The beam was red as I recall, might be wrong as this was a long time ago. The workmanship on this rig was excellent, it was a nice rifle - more like an M-14 than a Mini.

    Anyhow a beekeeper had this rig for shooting bears at night (not a good idea as the .223 is not a very good bear stopper). I was standing by a bee-hive late at night and the owner shot the laser onto the white box from a distance of over 100 yards. I could see a group of dots that composed the beam. We never shot any bruins with it but did zap a few in the face to see if it bothered them. No big deal, they continued doing what they were doing (did this at a nuisance grounds, the bears were busy opening garbage bags for midnight snacks).

    When we put the laser dot on something the .223's would hit in a pattern around it, not a tackdriver by any means. Maybe a 6-8 inch group at 100 yards but you could really send them out there as you did not worry about sights and the rifle did not recoil. Was supposed to be developed for prison guards, badguys did not want that red dot on them...
    Just a tale from the "olden-days" - first laser that I ever saw, this was back in the mid 80's.
     
  14. Jon A

    Jon A Well-Known Member

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    As always, very interesting stuff, Ian!

    Denny, I did see your Russian review, and I AM VERY JELEOUS! That's definately the ultimate.

    Have you tried a Newcon during low light conditions at all? The more I think about this the more it bothers me. Working fine in the middle of the day is great for target shooting. But if it's worthless after the sun goes down (just when things are getting interesting during hunting season) maybe it will let me down when I need it (even from rather "normal" ranges).

    Anybody with a commercial "eye safe" laser rangefinder:

    Am I correct in my assumption that they should work better in low light conditions than they do at high noon?

    Has anybody else experienced a drop-off in performance from their rangefinders in low-light conditions (not fog, snow or rain, etc but simply the sun going down on a clear day)?