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<blockquote data-quote="Bravo 4" data-source="post: 208311" data-attributes="member: 8873"><p>MR,</p><p>I'm not trying to preach ethics here, I think you just don't understand what I'm getting at. Let me try to explain...again. When you shoot an animal you want to take it down ASAP, preferably DRT. I don't do this just for ethical reasons, I do it because I am selfish and lazy! The lazy part is that I don't wanna have to go looking for the freaking thing. The selfish part you wouldn't totally understand unless you have had the buck of a lifetime (or several for that matter) stolen because it ran a couple hundred yards before dying and some jerks happened upon it before you did. You mentioned elk, I have never shot an elk but have friends that go almost every year. I have been told stories of hitting them at under 200 yards with 250gr soft points from .338 Win Mags and they don't flinch so the guy thought he missed and hit it two other times (all lung shots) before it moved! All kill shots! That my friend is the very definition of tough! You are talking about poking a tiny hole through lungs the size of a pizza box. That would be the equivalent of shooting them with field point arrows. Sure, you might get lucky. About 15 years ago when I first got into long range shooting I bought a 300 WM and that is when the Winchester Fail Safes were kinda new, I was in my middle teens and thought they were cool and just flat out didn't know any better so I bought several boxes to use deer hunting. Practised alot and was very comfortable out to 400yards. Opening day I shot a doe a little over three hundred yards and she(they) ran into the woods. Thought my new super rifle with wonder bullets would have knocked her over. I must have missed. A little while later another doe came out with the same effect. A bang and the deer ran off. I couldn't believe I missed again! I got down and went to investigate. Looked all over that place for blood with no avail. I had been bow hunting for several years at this point and shot several deer so I was not new to hunting and blood trailing shot deer. I went and confirmed my scope was still on. A few days later I sat on the same field, only closer to where the deer usually appeared from, to try again. I shot another big doe, this time behind the shoulders at a mere 20 yards. She ran off as though she was unscathed! There was no way I missed! I got down to look and seen her 50 yards in the woods just standing there looking at me and shot her behind the shoulder again. This time she jumped and kicked as if she had been hit and ran off. I waited about 15 minutes and went in to get her thinking she would be just right in a little ways. I went in the way she did and jumped her about 200 yards in! I went to where she had laid down and found a small amount of blood and marked it. I left and came back almost an hour later with a buddy and we went looking for her. I seen her a couple hundred more yards in, she was bedded down looking at me very alert and I put one between her eyes. When we skinned her she had very little damage to her lungs...two tiny holes in and out. Upon seeing this we got my buddy's hound and ended up finding one of the other does not far from the spot I finally killed the last one. One we never found. He had also shot a doe with his 7mm Mag with the new fandango bullets and we couldn't find hardly any blood. He shot the same doe a week later in the same stand with his .44mag. The 7mm bullet had angled (quartering away) through her chest and lodged in the far shoulder. He said she had a limp when he shot her the second time but didn't think it could have been the same deer. Not after being shot with a 7mmMag in the chest! These are cases of using the wrong bullets on game. I hope you see the point I'm making. Just trying to save you from yourself. I will leave you alone on the matter now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bravo 4, post: 208311, member: 8873"] MR, I'm not trying to preach ethics here, I think you just don't understand what I'm getting at. Let me try to explain...again. When you shoot an animal you want to take it down ASAP, preferably DRT. I don't do this just for ethical reasons, I do it because I am selfish and lazy! The lazy part is that I don't wanna have to go looking for the freaking thing. The selfish part you wouldn't totally understand unless you have had the buck of a lifetime (or several for that matter) stolen because it ran a couple hundred yards before dying and some jerks happened upon it before you did. You mentioned elk, I have never shot an elk but have friends that go almost every year. I have been told stories of hitting them at under 200 yards with 250gr soft points from .338 Win Mags and they don't flinch so the guy thought he missed and hit it two other times (all lung shots) before it moved! All kill shots! That my friend is the very definition of tough! You are talking about poking a tiny hole through lungs the size of a pizza box. That would be the equivalent of shooting them with field point arrows. Sure, you might get lucky. About 15 years ago when I first got into long range shooting I bought a 300 WM and that is when the Winchester Fail Safes were kinda new, I was in my middle teens and thought they were cool and just flat out didn't know any better so I bought several boxes to use deer hunting. Practised alot and was very comfortable out to 400yards. Opening day I shot a doe a little over three hundred yards and she(they) ran into the woods. Thought my new super rifle with wonder bullets would have knocked her over. I must have missed. A little while later another doe came out with the same effect. A bang and the deer ran off. I couldn't believe I missed again! I got down and went to investigate. Looked all over that place for blood with no avail. I had been bow hunting for several years at this point and shot several deer so I was not new to hunting and blood trailing shot deer. I went and confirmed my scope was still on. A few days later I sat on the same field, only closer to where the deer usually appeared from, to try again. I shot another big doe, this time behind the shoulders at a mere 20 yards. She ran off as though she was unscathed! There was no way I missed! I got down to look and seen her 50 yards in the woods just standing there looking at me and shot her behind the shoulder again. This time she jumped and kicked as if she had been hit and ran off. I waited about 15 minutes and went in to get her thinking she would be just right in a little ways. I went in the way she did and jumped her about 200 yards in! I went to where she had laid down and found a small amount of blood and marked it. I left and came back almost an hour later with a buddy and we went looking for her. I seen her a couple hundred more yards in, she was bedded down looking at me very alert and I put one between her eyes. When we skinned her she had very little damage to her lungs...two tiny holes in and out. Upon seeing this we got my buddy's hound and ended up finding one of the other does not far from the spot I finally killed the last one. One we never found. He had also shot a doe with his 7mm Mag with the new fandango bullets and we couldn't find hardly any blood. He shot the same doe a week later in the same stand with his .44mag. The 7mm bullet had angled (quartering away) through her chest and lodged in the far shoulder. He said she had a limp when he shot her the second time but didn't think it could have been the same deer. Not after being shot with a 7mmMag in the chest! These are cases of using the wrong bullets on game. I hope you see the point I'm making. Just trying to save you from yourself. I will leave you alone on the matter now. [/QUOTE]
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