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<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 339761" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>Howdy Fritz and welcome to LRH,</p><p> </p><p>I assume what you meant to say is..."not flamed..." and that's why you're here <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p>I agree with everything that's already been said. To sum it up, you wnat to get the most out of your rilfe you can in both accuracy and velocity but accuracy is most important. IMO, If you want to shoot to 1000 yds you should strive for .5 MOA or better out to 300-400 yds, i.e. 2" groups @ 400 yds. Once you start getting past 600 yds a lot of things start to affect your POI in a big way.</p><p> </p><p>On cartridges, IMO, the 300 WM, 300 WSM, 338 WM are all 800-900 yds hunting cartridges with most buulets and loads. A 1000 yds would be stretching the limits of bullets performance, especially on a lrge bodied animal like a moose. So for no kidding 1K shooting and beyond I think you should be looking at larger cartridges in the RUMs, etc. A 300 WSM is a great cartridge and will give you lots of shooting before burning up a barrel. It would probably be a very good starter cartridge because you will probably do a lot of shooting in load development and learning LR. But you will be on the edge of bullet performance for 800 yd moose. Under the right conditions I would use it to 800-900 yds on elk which are usually found at higher elevations and higher elevation will extend a bullets range.</p><p> </p><p>The choice of rifles is yours. Some are better out of the box than others. I dont have any experience with the Savages but have read a lot of good things about them. I like Senderos and I have two of them, and any builds I might do would probably duplicate them. Vanguard Sub MOA rifles are also another good choice for an out of the box shooter. Light rifles can shoot well but are more susceptible to whip and and temp conditions. Heavier barrels will on average shoot more consistantly. A custum buillt rifle would b e the way to go for a lighter weight rifle. I'm sure there are probably a few factory rifles that can shoot out to 1K with a light barrel, but IMO, it would be a roll of the dice to get one.</p><p> </p><p>One rule to remember in LR is.... BC and velocity are your friend, and in that order.</p><p> </p><p>Cheers and good shooting,</p><p> </p><p>Mark</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 339761, member: 11717"] Howdy Fritz and welcome to LRH, I assume what you meant to say is..."not flamed..." and that's why you're here :) I agree with everything that's already been said. To sum it up, you wnat to get the most out of your rilfe you can in both accuracy and velocity but accuracy is most important. IMO, If you want to shoot to 1000 yds you should strive for .5 MOA or better out to 300-400 yds, i.e. 2" groups @ 400 yds. Once you start getting past 600 yds a lot of things start to affect your POI in a big way. On cartridges, IMO, the 300 WM, 300 WSM, 338 WM are all 800-900 yds hunting cartridges with most buulets and loads. A 1000 yds would be stretching the limits of bullets performance, especially on a lrge bodied animal like a moose. So for no kidding 1K shooting and beyond I think you should be looking at larger cartridges in the RUMs, etc. A 300 WSM is a great cartridge and will give you lots of shooting before burning up a barrel. It would probably be a very good starter cartridge because you will probably do a lot of shooting in load development and learning LR. But you will be on the edge of bullet performance for 800 yd moose. Under the right conditions I would use it to 800-900 yds on elk which are usually found at higher elevations and higher elevation will extend a bullets range. The choice of rifles is yours. Some are better out of the box than others. I dont have any experience with the Savages but have read a lot of good things about them. I like Senderos and I have two of them, and any builds I might do would probably duplicate them. Vanguard Sub MOA rifles are also another good choice for an out of the box shooter. Light rifles can shoot well but are more susceptible to whip and and temp conditions. Heavier barrels will on average shoot more consistantly. A custum buillt rifle would b e the way to go for a lighter weight rifle. I'm sure there are probably a few factory rifles that can shoot out to 1K with a light barrel, but IMO, it would be a roll of the dice to get one. One rule to remember in LR is.... BC and velocity are your friend, and in that order. Cheers and good shooting, Mark [/QUOTE]
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