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New Leupold vs. Burris
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<blockquote data-quote="dhenzler" data-source="post: 1220271" data-attributes="member: 97226"><p>Things have changed in the past 18 months. I bought a 8.5-24 Leupold M4 with a dealer discount, and the dealer deal now requires stocking dealers only. And the Military and Police discounts are only on the high end tactical or long range models. So I guess my days with Leupold are over. Nice product, but they are fallible. A brand new 6.5-20x40 had parallax adjustment issues, and although they repaired it, I paid shipping. I also hav an old 20x fine cross hair scope I bought in the 80's on my 222 Sako.</p><p></p><p>Getting on to the Burris issue... I recently bought a Ruger Predator 6.5 Creedmoor, and decided that perhaps a better scope than the cheapos that I have been putting on many of my rifles would be in order. Altough they are adequate for up to 200 yards, at 300 and beyond the contrast ratio starts to take a pretty severe hit. Seeing .22 cal bullet holes becomes very difficult even at 24x. 30 cal holes are there, but fuzzy.</p><p></p><p>Set my mind to buying a scope under $400 that would have decent optics... meaning no chromatic or other aberrations. And a decent reticle with mil dot being my new requirement.</p><p></p><p>Burris Fullfield II was one of my choices, and met the price constraints. But the reticle reminded me of a kindergarten cartoon. Thick lines at the edges that would distract from the field of view. And a mil dot center section that was just acceptable. The Fulfield E1 was a lot more at one dealer however found them at another much closer to my target price of $400. Prices recently dropped at many dealers I assume because they are going to introduce a new model. The E1 reticle makes a lot more sense, having a bullet drop reticle calibrated for 22-250 which will work well with the Creedmoor. I find the optics very acceptable and look forward to putting this shorter scope on my Sako Vixen or the Predator.</p><p></p><p>Saving $350-$400 from the Leupold price tags is going to buy a lot of bullets primers and powder. Leupold needs to rethink their price structure.</p><p></p><p>Burris is head and shoulders above the UTC/Leapers and BSA and many other scopes from China. Although many have impressive specifications exit pupil and optical quality are not there. Many manufacturers don't even specify exit pupil size... the mark of a better product.</p><p></p><p>Good shooting </p><p></p><p>Dave</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dhenzler, post: 1220271, member: 97226"] Things have changed in the past 18 months. I bought a 8.5-24 Leupold M4 with a dealer discount, and the dealer deal now requires stocking dealers only. And the Military and Police discounts are only on the high end tactical or long range models. So I guess my days with Leupold are over. Nice product, but they are fallible. A brand new 6.5-20x40 had parallax adjustment issues, and although they repaired it, I paid shipping. I also hav an old 20x fine cross hair scope I bought in the 80's on my 222 Sako. Getting on to the Burris issue... I recently bought a Ruger Predator 6.5 Creedmoor, and decided that perhaps a better scope than the cheapos that I have been putting on many of my rifles would be in order. Altough they are adequate for up to 200 yards, at 300 and beyond the contrast ratio starts to take a pretty severe hit. Seeing .22 cal bullet holes becomes very difficult even at 24x. 30 cal holes are there, but fuzzy. Set my mind to buying a scope under $400 that would have decent optics... meaning no chromatic or other aberrations. And a decent reticle with mil dot being my new requirement. Burris Fullfield II was one of my choices, and met the price constraints. But the reticle reminded me of a kindergarten cartoon. Thick lines at the edges that would distract from the field of view. And a mil dot center section that was just acceptable. The Fulfield E1 was a lot more at one dealer however found them at another much closer to my target price of $400. Prices recently dropped at many dealers I assume because they are going to introduce a new model. The E1 reticle makes a lot more sense, having a bullet drop reticle calibrated for 22-250 which will work well with the Creedmoor. I find the optics very acceptable and look forward to putting this shorter scope on my Sako Vixen or the Predator. Saving $350-$400 from the Leupold price tags is going to buy a lot of bullets primers and powder. Leupold needs to rethink their price structure. Burris is head and shoulders above the UTC/Leapers and BSA and many other scopes from China. Although many have impressive specifications exit pupil and optical quality are not there. Many manufacturers don't even specify exit pupil size... the mark of a better product. Good shooting Dave [/QUOTE]
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