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New Fierce Rifle not grouping as expected
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<blockquote data-quote="coyotezapper" data-source="post: 1720922" data-attributes="member: 20438"><p>This is an issue that most non handloaders have when purchasing a custom rifle. I can remember a handful of rifles I have worked with that the owner claimed there was something wrong with the rifle that in the end was the ammunition or their shooting mechanics were poor. And these rifles were built by some of the best smiths in the industry. Here is what I have found to be the issue in most cases.</p><p></p><p>1. Ammunition. Just because the ammo is put together from a reputable ammo maker does not guarantee it will shoot in your rifle. A good recipe for a certain load usually targets a certain velocity node that shoots well at this velocity in most rifles. If a barrel does not like a certain load it is because the barrel for whatever reason will not shoot this load at the target velocity or it does but the seating depth needs to be tuned some because of differences in reamer throats. Yes its that simple. I have taken Berger match ammo in a rifle that was shooting 2 in 1 out and seated the bullets deeper and the rifle now shoots 3 in. This is why I never give out actual load recipes on the internet. When I give out load data help I tell them a velocity and OAL info only. For example I have years and years of experience with the 7STW and recently the 28 Nosler. These two have exactly the same performance characteristics due to the same case capacities. In recent years I have really come to like the 175 LRAB, Retumbo, 3.60" OAL at 3050 fps in a 26" bbl. This load will shoot in the 1's in a good rifle. If I gave out a powder charge more than likely a different rifle, different lot of powder etc. would not find this ideal velocity node so I only give out velocity for barrel lengths. Why barrel lengths? OBT.</p><p></p><p>2. Shooter mechanics. I see too many shooters trying to shoot a 28 Nosler free recoil like its a bench gun. If the stock is not designed as a bench gun why are you shooting it like a bench gun? Yes some people can do it but it takes a lot of time and detail to shoot one like this well. If the barrel / forend hops you are doing it wrong. I shoot VFS (benchrest ) and some NRL plus I am an avid big game hunter and I shoot all of these rifles differently.</p><p></p><p> Here is a link to a video on how a hunting rifle should be shot at the bench. Nathan Foster is a member here and really knows his stuff. His bullet performance knowledge is unmatched IMO. Pay attention to the group sizes they get from the factory 7RM after they fix the problem and the groups from the heavy recoiling 358 Norma.</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]ydqYFfn4T14[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>3. In this case is it the rifle? I highly doubt it. I have seen many Fierce rifles up close and they all have been tack drivers and if it is the rifle John Mogle will fix it. He is not one to turn his back on a customer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="coyotezapper, post: 1720922, member: 20438"] This is an issue that most non handloaders have when purchasing a custom rifle. I can remember a handful of rifles I have worked with that the owner claimed there was something wrong with the rifle that in the end was the ammunition or their shooting mechanics were poor. And these rifles were built by some of the best smiths in the industry. Here is what I have found to be the issue in most cases. 1. Ammunition. Just because the ammo is put together from a reputable ammo maker does not guarantee it will shoot in your rifle. A good recipe for a certain load usually targets a certain velocity node that shoots well at this velocity in most rifles. If a barrel does not like a certain load it is because the barrel for whatever reason will not shoot this load at the target velocity or it does but the seating depth needs to be tuned some because of differences in reamer throats. Yes its that simple. I have taken Berger match ammo in a rifle that was shooting 2 in 1 out and seated the bullets deeper and the rifle now shoots 3 in. This is why I never give out actual load recipes on the internet. When I give out load data help I tell them a velocity and OAL info only. For example I have years and years of experience with the 7STW and recently the 28 Nosler. These two have exactly the same performance characteristics due to the same case capacities. In recent years I have really come to like the 175 LRAB, Retumbo, 3.60" OAL at 3050 fps in a 26" bbl. This load will shoot in the 1's in a good rifle. If I gave out a powder charge more than likely a different rifle, different lot of powder etc. would not find this ideal velocity node so I only give out velocity for barrel lengths. Why barrel lengths? OBT. 2. Shooter mechanics. I see too many shooters trying to shoot a 28 Nosler free recoil like its a bench gun. If the stock is not designed as a bench gun why are you shooting it like a bench gun? Yes some people can do it but it takes a lot of time and detail to shoot one like this well. If the barrel / forend hops you are doing it wrong. I shoot VFS (benchrest ) and some NRL plus I am an avid big game hunter and I shoot all of these rifles differently. Here is a link to a video on how a hunting rifle should be shot at the bench. Nathan Foster is a member here and really knows his stuff. His bullet performance knowledge is unmatched IMO. Pay attention to the group sizes they get from the factory 7RM after they fix the problem and the groups from the heavy recoiling 358 Norma. [MEDIA=youtube]ydqYFfn4T14[/MEDIA] 3. In this case is it the rifle? I highly doubt it. I have seen many Fierce rifles up close and they all have been tack drivers and if it is the rifle John Mogle will fix it. He is not one to turn his back on a customer. [/QUOTE]
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