New Factory Rifle

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by lukedawg55, Dec 21, 2010.

  1. lukedawg55

    lukedawg55 New Member

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    Ok, I need some reassuring or assistance however it may be in regards to a new rifle. Ive got the nod to get myself a new rifle for chirstmas and im gettin a varminter. Ive got a decent long range deer gun, savage 110FP in .300 win. in a choate varminter stock, but ive never owned a smalle caliber centerfire.

    So, i know im asking an opinion, but I ask that it be based on fact, what is the best factory, out of the box gnats ass hittin .223 on the market? i mean, not a kimber, or a shilen or custom gun, but Tikka, Remington, Savage, winchester, browning what? Im actually leaning toward a TC icon in .22-250. They dont offer the weather warrior in .223, and thats what I really want, but that Icon has awesome reviews and i like that theres a rail built into the reciever housing.

    Any input from individuals with experience would help, and if you have one of these guns, post up some groups, honest center average groups. Im not important enough to lie to, and i dont care what a gun will do once, I want reliability as well.
     

  2. loosesniper2000

    loosesniper2000 Well-Known Member

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    Go with the Rem. I've owned 2 .223 heavy varminter's and I shot sub moa before I did any work to them. I'd stay away from Winchester or Browning. (just my opinion) Also Savage is right at the top as well. If you ask me, Remington or Savage.The Rem 700 SA is hard to beat. I'm sure most of the guys on here would agree
    Dustin
     

  3. matt_3479

    matt_3479 Well-Known Member

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    I just picked up a 243. win in a Remington model 700 sps topped with Vortex Viper 6.5-20x44mm and it is sweet so far.
     
  4. Don Ward

    Don Ward Well-Known Member

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    In a 223, Rem SPS Varmint or a Savage 12 FV would be decent places to start looking. Savage has a faster twist which lets you use some higher BC bullets. Both are good foundations for upgrading.

    Rem offers the faster twist in 223 on a the VTR and a couple other models.

    We build rifles, but on a whim I picked up a Stevens 200 .223 ($280), put in a trigger ($90) and it holds under MOA. With a decent stock it would probably really shine.

    Not much experience with the Icon or Tikka.

    Regardless of brand or model, factory gun accuracy is like a box of chocolates.
     
  5. Buano

    Buano Well-Known Member

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    You should add one more to your list. I've owned a lot of rifles, but the most accurate out of the box factory rifle I've ever had my hands on was an Interarms Mini Mark-X sporter-weight .223. The first 5 factory loads I tried in it all shot sub .5", 1 was at .25" and 2 loads produced ragged 1-hole patterns.

    I had a bull barrel Rem 700 varminter in .22-250 that would shoot 1/2" all day long but this cheap little sporter outshot it every time they faced off.

    Next on my list, and way ahead of a stock Remington is a Savage with the Accu-triger & Accu-stock. The first 2 modifications you would need to do to a Rem 700 are already there. You have a great stock & very good trigger. Savages have been accused of being ugly, but they SHOOT.

    With light weight rifles, Tikkas generally outshoot Remingtons but I've never dealt with a varmint weight Tikka.

    Remington Varmint rifles tend to shoot well, but sometimes it takes work & a few trips to the gunsmith ($$$) to get them to be tack drivers.

    I've never seen or heard of a Winchester varmint rifle that wasn't a tack driver. As Winchester keeps reinventing itself, I have no idea what their current varmint rifle is.

    Hope this helps without confusing you too much.
     
  6. lidsplitter

    lidsplitter Active Member

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    if you go the remington route, keep in mind there factory specs. for accuracy is 2 inches at 100 yds. I'd highly reccomend the savage. most likely you'll get a rifle that will shoot the way you would expect a custom gun to.
     
  7. Firecat

    Firecat Well-Known Member

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    Thompson Center also has the Icon Precision Hunter which is worth a good hard look. Comes with a 22 inch fluted barrel. All of the work on these rifles is already done for you. Floated and bedded in varmint style laminate stock. Guaranteed accuracy as well. It would certainly make my short list along side the Remington VSSF II.

    My short list would consist of these three in no particular order

    Thompson Center Icon Precision Hunter
    Remington VSSF II
    Savage Predator
     
  8. LRSickle

    LRSickle Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget to look at a CZ 527.
     
  9. lukedawg55

    lukedawg55 New Member

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    Ok, now lemme had a bit more to the question. What types of things would you have a gunsmith to do a factory gun to ensure utmost accuracy? Lap the barrel and lugs, glass back the action, etc. just curious. Ive got a gunsmith locally that does good work very reasonably and i actually intended on taking the gun to him anyway.

    So far to me, the savage 12fv is wining, just from responses and all the jazz ive read. Ill have it duracoated to protect it from me and the weather. Is the acustock all they say it is??
     
  10. roninflag

    roninflag Well-Known Member

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    remington vssf in any caliber
     
  11. liltank

    liltank Well-Known Member

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    Let me add another option to the Savage line up: Savage Arms Firearms > 12 LRPV Dual Port

    Own this one in 308, and is a heck of a shooter. You can get this one in either the 1:9 or the 1:7 in .223: Savage Arms Firearms > 12 VLP DBM

    You get the H-S stock, target accu- trigger (6oz.-1lbs), and the dual port for quick loading the rifle. It is a single shot, but deadly accurate.

    Tank
     
  12. roninflag

    roninflag Well-Known Member

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    liltank- i believe i read in varmint hunter magazine that several guys won the various classes of a 600 yard match with 9 twist 22-250 savage vlp ; AGAINST customs like a nesika/bat ( action alone is 950+) ect.
     
  13. liltank

    liltank Well-Known Member

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    I can believe it. They are some accurate rifles. I cut a .233" 5 shot group w/ mine at 100yds. That has been my smallest to date, but I can keep it in the .5MOA to .75MOA out to 800yrds. It is as accurate as a rifle as you can get with proper care, loading, and cleaning. I love mine, but I have since shot out the barrel when I bored it to a 300WSM, and now it is in a B&C stock Medalist A2 soon to sport a Lothar Walther 28" 1:12 in .308 again.

    Tank
     
  14. jbcarter88

    jbcarter88 Active Member

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    My opinion is go with the Savage. Best "outta the box" rifle on the market now. The accustock and accutrigger are a great addition to an already excellent factory rifle. I own 2 in other calibers and are hard core tack drivers for a factory rifle! Not as pretty as some but definitly accurate!!....Just my opinion
     
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