New Coyote Rifle

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by chav0_12, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. chav0_12

    chav0_12 Member

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    I am looking to get a new predator rifle; I want it to be light, short and accurate. I found three I like, the Remington Model Seven Predator, the Savage Model 10 Predator, and the Thompson Center Venture Predator.

    All three of these guns weigh around 7 pounds, sport 22 inch fluted barrels, and come in the two calibers I am considering, 22-250 Remington and .223 Remington.

    I don't like the Remington in 22-250 since it has a 1:14 twist, kind of limits my bullet weights, but the .223 has a 1:9 twist which I like. The Savage has a 1:12 for the 22-250, not too bad, and also a 1:9 for the .223. The TC has a 1:12 for both; don't care for the .223 with the 1:12 twist, and a MOA accuracy guarantee.

    I was wondering if anyone has any experience with any of these rifles, and if so what sort of accuracy should/can be expected from any of these rifles out of the box?

    Thanks for any input,

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  2. strombeckj

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    all are good rifles. You will find more after market options for the Rem, and I’ll bet you a $100 right now your rifle wont stay stock if your on this site. Savage produces some good stuff; however there are more working parts in the bolt alone then my whole model 70 which scares me a little bit. cant go wrong with a 22-250 on yotes but the same can be said with a .223 If you don’t hand load high volume shooting can get $$ with a 22-250. In any case putting your rifle to a lot of paper is the best way to learn how to manage a long shot with either round. Good Luck!
     

  3. Trickymissfit

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    you can make a 22-250 work well with a 22" barrel length, but you'll need faster powders. The 1:12 twist is very good in that caliber. The 1:12 twist in a .223 would be great! This allows you to use some of the longer .223 bullets, but still will be touchey for the 53 grain Vmax (.29 B/C). It will shoot the 55 grain Nosler BT as well as the 55 VMax just fine. Should do OK with the 60 grain Nosler partition as well, but once again will be close. The 1:9 twist will do it all in a .223 if that matters. I use a 1:14 twist 20" barrel in .223, and has no problems with the 55 grain VMax (3250fps). Myself, I'd get the .223 in the 1:9 twist, and never look back
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  4. chav0_12

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    Thanks guys. I was thinking the .223 with the 1:9 would be the best for what I want.

    I have a Wetherby Vanguard in 22-250 with 1:14 right now, and it likes the 45 gr Nosler BT with Varget but was thinking about getting it rebarreled for a faster twist rate.

    I want to be able to shoot the heavier bullets out of whatever I get, I was thinking at least 60 gr, and don't think any of these 22-250's will stabalize anything heavier very well. With that being said it kinda narrows my options to the Savage and the Remington in 223.

    So really what I want to know is how well does the Model 7 and the Model 10 shoot? I really want a rifle that I can get about 1/2 MOA with. So what sort of groups can I get right out of the box with these?

    Thanks again,

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  5. strombeckj

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    Sounds like you may be looking along the lines of a dedicated coyote rifle since you already have a “varmint” rig. If this is the case…. .243 would be my pick. I have a friend who owns the savage 10 Predator combo in .243. I would call it “hunting accurate” with the right ammo it is a MOA rifle all day long... 1/2 and under probably not, 3/4, I would say yes. I would not hesitate to pull the trigger on a yote or deer with it…save the light, fast shooting .22 for PD’s I have only read articles and reviews online about the model seven, all seem to tote it as a good rifle.
    Heck, if you reload I would even consider the savage 110 predator in the 6.5x284…same price!lightbulb

    If you want 1/2 MOA. I think a savage would get you closer then a model seven. But I think a Model 700 would be better. (after market/smith friendly) I have 3 guys I shoot with who have sps varmint rigs and do very well with them.

    Again...something in a 6mm, .25 or 6.5mm would be my choice for a dedicated coyote rig. Maybe that's why I'm having a 6-06 built as we speak
     
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    a couple years back I played with the Hornaday 60 grain bullet a little bit in a 1:12 twist gun. I was shooting in the mid sixes, but never really tried working up a load for accuracey. Later I learn that the Nosler Partition bullet is a little shorter, and this maybe the ticket in a 1:12 twist gun
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  7. strombeckj

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    Hodgdon seems to think a 60 V-Max will fly out a 1:14 with their superperformance...max load in 43.0C for 3738.

    I would like to see that!
     
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    Thanks for that. Any Idea on how much your friends savage actually weighs? This is the only factor causing me to lean more toward the Remington, because I've seen more places than not that it is exactly seven pounds, whereas I've seen the numbers for the Savage as 7.25 lbs and also 8.25 lbs (the 8.25 was on the Savage website, not sure exactly what that was for).

    I do reload so I want to work up a load and the best accuracy I can get for whichever I choose.

    If you're saying the Remington is less likely to give me sub-MOA, then this definately makes me want the Savage a whole lot more than the Remington.
     
  9. B23

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    I'm at a similar crossroads myself. I've got a Remmy LTR .223 that I'm thinking about putting a new tube on but can't decide if I wanna keep it a .223 and Ackley improve it or have the bolt face opened up and turn it into a 22-250improved or have even thought of doing a straight 22-243 but not improving it. That new 53gr Vmax screaming out the end of a 22-250 or 22-243 around 4000fps sounds like it could be fun.

    I too, am open to suggestions.
     
  10. strombeckj

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    Hornady does not recommend the new 53gr’s in the big .22 cals, not sure why but it is in their new manual. I have a .223 AI and love it. But if I were to re-tub my gun I might do a .20 practical designed around the Berger 55gr varmint match, with a BC of .381 or even a 20-250 using that same bullet. Nice thing is if you have .223 brass and dies you only need to pick up a bushing neck die. My 2 cent worth, but I love these heavy long bullets put out by Berger in the small Cal’s. My smith has the only reamer made by a well know tool company in 22x47. He plans on shooting the 75 – 90 long bullets. Can’t wait to see the results. A 20br would be another good choice, fling a 55gr around 3600-3700.

    I will be testing 200 53gr’s in a savage .223 @ 1:12 and my .223 AI @ 1:14 using x-terminator, 322,335,8208 XBR, varget and benchmark. Should have results by month’s end.
     
  11. strombeckj

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    I shoot with friends who own savages and Remington’s….I’m the odd ball out, I preferred push feed model 70’s. But for the action only. If I were to by a rifle for out of the box performance I would go savage. If I planned on making changes down the road I would go Remington.
    I called my friend; he says his rifle with optics comes in around 10lbs, not bad for a hunting rifle. I suspect my rifle that is being built will be around the same with optics.
    Given the info you have provided I would look at the Remington sps Stainless in 25-06, or the Savage predator in 6.5x284 or any in the .243


    Again this is all my opinion and should be taken with a grain of salt.
     
  12. chav0_12

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    Again thanks for all the info, I already have different plans for a 25-06, a 6.5-284, and also a .243, all great calibers. I do indeed like the SPS in 25-06 and my mind has already been made about that one, I will be getting that soon enough. I really, for this rifle, am just looking for a rifle I can shoot heavier than 55gr bullets out of a .224 cal at coyotes, without luggin' 15 pounds around everywhere. Again thank you and I think I will be looking to get the Savage instead due to its higher level of out of the box accuracy.

    Thanks,

    Chav0_12
     
  13. B23

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    Hmmmm, maybe I should just stay with my first thought and have a 1-13 26in Broughton 5C hung on it and make it a .223AI
     
  14. strombeckj

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    I love mine... reloading some of the 53gr's now. But I would look into a .20 practical with 55gr Bergers if I was going to re-tub

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