New Build! first build.

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by matt_3479, Jan 17, 2012.

  1. matt_3479

    matt_3479 Well-Known Member

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    I am hoping to get this build started as soon as possible. In the past few years my ranges have expanded, my interests and goals have grown. Im looking for a rifle to shoot and hunt from ranges 500-800 yards on big game. Targets such as Whitetail, Moose, Elk, Black Bear and Caribou will be included. This is what im looking to get done,

    Caliber: 300. win mag

    Action: Remington 700 BDL

    Work:
    -blueprint action
    -Holland recoil lug
    -brux barrel (26 or 28"-#4 or #5 contour barrel. Undecided)
    -pillar bed
    -bolt flute
    -timney trigger
    -McMillan a3 stock
    -KMW grenade style bolt knob

    Im hoping this rifle to be relatively light. This will be my first build and will be my primary long range hunting rifle. What is everyones thoughts and opinons on this build?

    Few questions i would like help with;
    1.) Which length barrel and which Contour (would prefer to keep weight down)
    2.) thoughts on McMillan a3 stock for a hunting rifle?
    3.) what barrel twist is recommened. Looks like 10 and 11 are popular


    I will be reloading and will be concentrating on Berger 210 VLD's, Nosler 200 Accubonds. thoughts and comments would be highly appreciated!!
     
  2. 4xforfun

    4xforfun Well-Known Member

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    I personoly don't think that the words "long range" and "light weight" should be allowed to be used in the same sentance!! Light weight is not what you should be striving for.

    That being said, what do you consider light weight? I can't imagin that the combo you came up with would be considered "light weight" in most peoples opinion. I gotta figure you will be at least 12 LBS min on the road. I have never held an A3, but the A5 that we use is fairly heavy. I'm not sure about how heavy the #4 and 5 tubes are ....all of my remmys are Rem Varment contour. Krieger says that the #5 contour is 1/2 pound lighter than the varment contour. I would think that this coubo would be great for 800 yard work.

    The 11 or 10 twist will both work fine for the 210 Bergers, I have both in my 1K comp guns. If you are going to try go up in weight some day (as in the new 230 TAC Hybird from berger) I would go to 10 twist.

    I have had great luck with RL22 in the 300 win. H1000 is also very good. Use Fed 215 primers.

    Good luck, and have fun!!!!! :D
     
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  3. backwoods83

    backwoods83 Well-Known Member

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    To get the full capabilites of the 300wm a #7 countour with 8 flutes finished at28" is your best bet, also check into the competetive edge gunworks spiral fluted bolts with pinned extractor (m16 style). Also id go a few dollars more for a jewell trigger. Good luck.
     
  4. azgutpile

    azgutpile Well-Known Member

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    This is what I have and it weighs just over 12 lbs

    Stiller Predator long action
    Mc Millan A3-5 tactical stock withadjustable cheak and length of pull
    28" Schneider barrel 5.5 taper
    standard bottom metal
    Muzzle Break 2"
    Timiney Trigger
    Predator Rail
    Badger Ordinance Max 50 rings
    NightForce 5.5x22x56

    If I were to do it over again with the priority being hunting, I would do the everything the same except the following.
    24"- 26" (max) length
    number 5 taper (fluted)
    lighter rings and scope.
    shorter muzzle break.
    A3 McMillan Sporter (much lighter than the A5)
    This should put you closer to 10lbs.

    FYI, my 28" barrel is way to long, which makes it a "bear" to walk thru trees.
     
  5. matt_3479

    matt_3479 Well-Known Member

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    I didn't mean light weight long range, i meant more like id rather keep weight down. I have seen rifles that weight like 15+ lbs. I was hoping for a rifle around 12 lbs. I knew it would be heavy so when i say light weight i just mean i dont want to be adding things that will put weight on like a #8 contour barrel. I spoke with Kevin at MCR and he is the one that will be doing my build. He is also the one that gave me all this information. Thats the reason i am saying #4-#5 contour, its what he had told me.

    Like i said this rifle will be used for hunting purposes. I dont plan on shooting the 230 bergers, only cause i haven't heard enough about them. I know the 210 are trusted long range killers and i love accubonds and trust them on game at pretty much any range.
     
  6. matt_3479

    matt_3479 Well-Known Member

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    I appreciate the info. I think im going 26" barrel for the reason you stated. Kevin suggest the A3 sporter but im not a fan of the look of the sporter, and i will probably just stick with the A3. I will not have a muzzle break which will drop a little weight, and will be going light weight rings, and probably a Vortex Viper PST since i have one laying around. That will also drop some weight. Kevin told me to expect it to be 12 lbs finished off.

    Due to hunting purposes, i was told that the timney trigger offers a little more. I have read that the Jewel triggers have issues with dirt getting in them.
     
  7. Nimrod1203

    Nimrod1203 Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like my next build! I've got an A3 lined up thats new but the guy didn't decide to build a LA so I might be able to get it cheap. If that deal falls through I'm probably gonna go either Game scout or the Manners T series. Mine will be in 300 winny as well. I was going to go brux too. However the main draw for me with brux was the shorter lead time. I'm not as big of a fan of Krieger(brux) contours. For what it's worth, i've done a TON of research on contours lately and you can get a tad beefier Lilja and it will be lighter than all others in that same final muzzle diameter due to them reducing to a smaller size after the chamber and having more of a straight look to them. My plan was to go #6 fluted lilja contour, or 5.5 Shilen fluted at 26 inches, or 27 without a brake and if my math is correct, i'd be right about 10.5-11 lbs. Now thats without the adjustments in the stock, so keep that in mind. I'm going to try to go less than 11.5 lbs and have pretty much figured i can do this with the components you have chosen. I just finished a .25-06 with a #4 fluted 26" shilen and a sporter stock thats under 10 lbs with a viper hs. Anyways, best of luck to you!
    Nimrod
    Ps. when you say Kevin, you mean MCR?
     
  8. matt_3479

    matt_3479 Well-Known Member

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    I really like the look of the A3 stocks and im excited to work with it. I just had someone suggest a McMillan Game Scout as well and im pretty interested in it. It very similar but its lighter. Im going with Brux because Kevin is very similar with it. And yes i mean Kevin at MCR. Im excited to see how this build turns out.

    How do you figure that your build would weight about 11.5 lbs. I think i will be going #4 and 26" barrel due to weight reasons.
     
  9. Nimrod1203

    Nimrod1203 Well-Known Member

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    The Mcmillan painted A3 without the elevator adjustment is 2.9 lbs. The 26" barrel in 5.5 or 6 lilja fluted will be right at 4.5 lbs. The action weighs about a pound. scope is 20 ounces. rings and picatinny rail will be about half a pound. Add that up and it's just a SMIDGE over 10.5 lbs so actually around 11 lbs. That is my math anyways. For what it's worth I guessed my other build within 2 ounces as well. I'm thinking I'm going to try to gather all the components and ship them to Kevin as well. I really like his work on his site and he has a stellar reputation.
    Nimrod
     
  10. DZelenka

    DZelenka Well-Known Member

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    I have built two rifles that could give you a sense of weight. The first was a .300 Jarrett using a 26" #4 barrel, Remington long action and a 3.5-10x40 scope. It weighed 8.75 lbs. The second is a 7SAUM with a 26" #5 Krieger, Remington long action, and 6.5-20x50 scope. It weighs 9 lbs, 14 oz. Both rifles have McMillan Remington Classic stocks. Just make additions or subtractions based upon your specific components. It will get you a good estimate of what your finished rifle will weigh.

    By the way, both rifles shoot sub 1/2 MOA and are more than adequate for long range hunting applications.

    Dan
     
  11. 4xforfun

    4xforfun Well-Known Member

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    In what universe does an action weigh a pound?? Maybe the rimfire or airgun universe.
     
  12. matt_3479

    matt_3479 Well-Known Member

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    I appreciate the info,
    you dont feel that the #4 is too light/thin or are you happy with your choice. Now if you were to do it again, would you choose #4 or another. Do you suggest the 4 or the 5
     
  13. DZelenka

    DZelenka Well-Known Member

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    I really like the #4 for a hunting rifle, especially if you are going to carry it anywhere. It is well balanced for shooting and for carrying. I find with a heavier barrel, the barrel causes the rifle to hang unnaturally to the rear when you have it slung over your shoulder. The only reason I went with the #5 on my latest build is because the gunsmith didn't want to use anything lighter than a #5. If you want the weight of a #5, you could also try a light Palma shortened to 26". It would be about the same weight but with a heavier profile.

    With a hunting rifle you aren't going to be shooting long strings of fire. If your rifle consistently puts the first few shots where you point them, that is adequate. Both of the rifles I described would/will regularly shoot sub 1/2 MOA and the best 3 shot groups from each were around 1/5 MOA. I wouldn't hesitate to use a #4 if I built a new hunting rifle. I really like a rifle that weighs 9 lbs or less ready to go.

    In addition, I like the Remington Classic stock for my hunting rifles and they can only handle up to a #5 contour.

    Finally, I carry enough weight in my pack without having to be weighed down with a heavier than necessary rifle. I sold a gift certificate for a Nightforce and chose to use a Leupold on my latest rifle because it would save me 10 oz without sacrificing usefullness to me.

    Everyone has their own style and needs. You just need to identify what characteristics you want in a rifle and build to them. A good smith can build an accurate hunting rifle out of most reasonable contours. Long range accuracy doesn't have to mean an overly heavy rifle.

    Dan
     
  14. FEENIX

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    Is less than 1/2 pound difference in weight really making that choice difficult for you? I would go with whichever Kevin recommends and call it good. lightbulb

    ADDED: I have 30" #6 contour (non-fluted) Lilja barrel on order for an upcoming project build.