Needing a backup PD gun 204 vs 22-250

Discussion in 'Varmint Hunting' started by jayb8407, Feb 17, 2008.

  1. jayb8407

    jayb8407 Member

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    I have a 223 for PD that I like very much, heavy barrel with a brake. This gun does not more when shot and I can see the hit in my scope. I want a different caliber to shoot when in the towns. I am between the 204 or the 22-250 any thoughts

    Jay
     
  2. ilscungilli

    ilscungilli Well-Known Member

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    I have a 204 and I am really happy I picked that round. Loaded with 39gr Blitzkings to around 3800 fps, it has an awesome trajectory and bucks the wind better than all the .22's. Here is a wind drift comparison I did with PointBlank 1.8, using published the published BCs from each company.

    Bullet Weight/Type BC Cartridge Name Velocity 400 yd 10 MPH wind Drift
    39gr Sierra Blitzking 0.287 .204 Ruger 3750 11.5"
    40gr Hornady Vmax 0.275 .204 Ruger 3900 11.5"
    40gr Nosler BT 0.239 .204 Ruger 3750 14.3"

    40gr Sierra Blitzking 0.196 .223 Rem 3700 18.6"
    40gr Hornady Vmax 0.200 .223 Rem 3700 18.2"
    40gr Nosler BT 0.221 .223 Rem 3700 16.0"

    40gr Sierra Blitzking 0.196 .220 Swift 4250 15.6"
    40gr Hornady Vmax 0.200 .220 Swift 4250 15.2"
    40gr Nosler BT 0.221 .220 Swift 4250 13.5"

    40gr Sierra Blitzking 0.196 .22-250 Rem 4150 16.1"
    40gr Nosler BT 0.221 .22-250 Rem 4150 13.9"
    40gr Hornady Vmax 0.200 .22-250 Rem 4150 15.7"
    55gr Sierra Blitzking 0.237 .22-250 Rem 3680 14.8"
    55gr Nosler BT 0.267 .22-250 Rem 3680 12.8"

    My current load burns 24.8gr of Reloder-10x, so its pretty cheap to shoot all day, and I don't have nearly the amount of barrel heating that the big .22's have.
     

  3. 1kstr

    1kstr Well-Known Member

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    One more thing to add to what Vis said is that you also won't have the recoil of the bigger .22's and can stay on target better with the .204. I currently have a .223 and 22-250 and a couple friends use a .204 in the dog towns and I have been extremely impressed with the performance of that round. My next dog town gun will be chambered in a .204.

    That is not to say that the 250 doesn't work well. It is one heckuva round and if loaded with a 40gr. Sierra will have exceptional wheels. This comes at a cost however.
    1kstr
     
  4. Waltech Jim

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    I have all three and use them a lot for pd work. Go with the 204. You can see the impact easily with a varmint weight barrel and don't need a brake.

    I used to shoot the 39 Sierra and its accuracy was excellent in my Savage, but I have gone to the 40 gr. Berger. I could see a slight advantage at extended distances with the Berger.

    Jim
     
  5. FRANK21

    FRANK21 Well-Known Member

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    204 all the way- higher BC bullets(40grns), higher velocity, less powder, less heat.
     
  6. kgpcr

    kgpcr New Member

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    I am a 22-250 guy after the .223 but thats just me. easier to keep one cal of bullets on hand and easier to clean the the squeak bores. The .204 is a heck of a round though!
     
  7. VarmintGuy

    VarmintGuy Well-Known Member

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    Jayb8047: Buy the 204 Ruger and use your 223 as the back-up!
    I have 4 Varmint Rifles in caliber 204 Ruger now and its head and shoulders above both the 223 and 22-250 when all around performance and efficiency are considered.
    I guarantee your heavy barreled 204 will be your favorite Rifle when you are in a Prairie Dog Hunting situation!
    Just today I was reloading for some of my Rifles in 204 and some of my Rifles in 22-250 calibers!
    The 204 load I use that outperforms the 22-250 uses a lot less powder to get that better performance!
    Visualize a lot less barrel heat as well!
    Think about throat erosion.
    Think about no recoil vs. image loosing amounts of recoil!
    Go with the 204 Ruger and don't look back.
    Hold into the wind
    VarmintGuy
     
  8. jayb8407

    jayb8407 Member

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    I have both 204 and 22-250 and I am going to get one of them rebarreled. The savage seems to cut about 1 inch at 100yds. I can't seem to find a load it likes. I will send the 204 in to a good smith for abarrel and a brake.
     
  9. Goofycat

    Goofycat Well-Known Member

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    It depends on the ranges you ordinarilly shoot. I am a ground squirrel hunter in California and must hunt on ranch land, where sheep and cattle graze. I do not want a bullet to ricochet and I generally don't need more than 250-300 yards maximum for the bullet to perform. I have used .222,.223 and 22-250. I feel the 22-250 is too much gun for these small animals, although it has a greater range. Most of my shots are between 100 and 250 yards.

    I have purchased a Cooper in .20 VarTarg for the ranges I like to shoot in. I still like the .222 because of its inherent accuracy, lower barrel heat, availability of good brass. I still have the .22-250, but only because .204s were unavailable in the mid nineties when I bought the rifle (set up by Darrell Holland: massaged Remington 40X action, Hart heavy barrel, McMillan custom stock). I like the rifle, but rarely use it for anything except coyotes. It is set up for 55-grain bullets, pushing them at around 3500 fps.

    Keep in mind the barrel heat problem. The .22-250 displays too much barrel heat for hot/heavy shooting, so if the .204 helps in that arena, another plus.
    And, the .22-250 uses powder somewhere north of 30 grains. I think I have the cases loaded with 32 or 33 grains of H4895 and use Nosler Ballistic Tips in 55 grains. The rifle shoots well with that combination, although other rifles in this caliber may like another set-up. Good for Coyote and the larger varmints. The rifle is fine for PDs, but you had better plan to take at least one other rifle to use after you clean the .22-250 and let it cool down.
     
  10. acloco

    acloco Well-Known Member

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    Don't buy the 204! If you do, your 223 will be the backup rifle to it.

    The only other cost effective round that can sit next to my 204..... 223 AI.
     
  11. jacack

    jacack Well-Known Member

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    the 20's are the only way to go,I shot alot of pds every summer and have had about every varmint cartridge there is and still go back to the 20's. I bought a cooper in 20 tactical about 7yrs back and its still shooting strong and last yr I hade LSR build be a lightweight rifle for calling yote in the 20 tactical and its a beast, put it on fur out to about 375 and pull the trigger.

    if you want something more sexy I also have a 20ppc and 20br that are pretty amazing also,I shot the 50grn bergers in the br with a bc of .295 and drive them around 3850 and it makes for a nice longer range 20cal.

    20's rule

    jared