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<blockquote data-quote="Ackley Man" data-source="post: 270975" data-attributes="member: 16583"><p>nheninge,</p><p> </p><p>Thank you for the info on how to do attachments. It is appreciated.</p><p> </p><p>I love a good argument so let's carry on. <em>"However, it is not JUST the neck that produces a tigher group, but likely a combination ....."</em> Your statement is correct but I didn't say it was merely the tight neck not being in conjunction with anything else. Will you simply admit that a tight neck chamber will produce better accuracy? Remember the neck portion of the chamber is the last section of the chamber before the lead and throat. You also indicate that tight necks can be a <em>"little finicky."</em> Finicky in what sense? I have four in differenct calibers and have never had an issue related the the fact that they are tight necked chambers. Ya if you don't neck turn to the proper dimensions you can have issues (non accuracy types) but other than that I don't know of any associated problems with tight necked chambers.</p><p> </p><p><em>"a standard SAMI spec chamber could possibly be on the tight side"</em> NOT IN A FACTORY STANDARD GUN! To have one on the "tight side" you would have to have a minimum SAMI spec reamer used. Remington, Winchester, Savage, etc do not do this!!! I have two rifles that were reamed with minimum SAMI spec reamers. SAMI specs, if you have ever studied a SAMI chamber drawing have a min and max dimension. Your statement in paragraph two is contradictory. You indicate that it is possible to be on the tight side and yet you admit that that chamber necks must be cut to accomodate the variation in brass neck thicknesses.</p><p> </p><p>I think that I may agree in part with your comments concening neck turning but I am not sure what side of the arguments your were taking. The point I was making was that previous replys to this thread stated that one should turn all of the neck to a standardized size. I disagree. If you are going to standardize a batch you have to cut to the thinest neck measurement in the batch. Obvioulsy, relative to a <u>standard chamber neck</u> even the thickest of factory brass would chamber. Accordingly turning the the thinest neck measurement will increase the differential between the brass and the chamber neck increasing the potential for alignment issues thus impacting accuracy. I disagree with your statement relative to overworking the brass. If multiple passes with the neck turner are made at a slow rate the will be little transfer of stress. Additionally, brass has much more ductility than steel and traditionally does not "work harden" without either severe stress being applied at one time or through repeated stimuli being exerted.</p><p> </p><p><em>"Sorting by neck variance .............because it is lined up with the rifling almost perfectly."</em> BACK UP THE TRUCK ON THIS! This would only be correct if the neck was tight. What do you think happens when the bolt face isn't square or the locking lugs are not true? Where will the bullet be pointing then? <em>"The runout can be negated by putting your bullet into the lands."</em> If your chambered round is out of alignment due to various factors I seriously don't believe you could jam the ogive portion of the bullet deep enough into the lands to correct the alignment and if you could I hope you never have to attempt to eject a loaded round because the bullet will remain stuck in the chamber and you will spill powder all over hell and back. Your turn.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ackley Man, post: 270975, member: 16583"] nheninge, Thank you for the info on how to do attachments. It is appreciated. I love a good argument so let's carry on. [I]"However, it is not JUST the neck that produces a tigher group, but likely a combination ....."[/I] Your statement is correct but I didn't say it was merely the tight neck not being in conjunction with anything else. Will you simply admit that a tight neck chamber will produce better accuracy? Remember the neck portion of the chamber is the last section of the chamber before the lead and throat. You also indicate that tight necks can be a [I]"little finicky."[/I] Finicky in what sense? I have four in differenct calibers and have never had an issue related the the fact that they are tight necked chambers. Ya if you don't neck turn to the proper dimensions you can have issues (non accuracy types) but other than that I don't know of any associated problems with tight necked chambers. [I]"a standard SAMI spec chamber could possibly be on the tight side"[/I] NOT IN A FACTORY STANDARD GUN! To have one on the "tight side" you would have to have a minimum SAMI spec reamer used. Remington, Winchester, Savage, etc do not do this!!! I have two rifles that were reamed with minimum SAMI spec reamers. SAMI specs, if you have ever studied a SAMI chamber drawing have a min and max dimension. Your statement in paragraph two is contradictory. You indicate that it is possible to be on the tight side and yet you admit that that chamber necks must be cut to accomodate the variation in brass neck thicknesses. I think that I may agree in part with your comments concening neck turning but I am not sure what side of the arguments your were taking. The point I was making was that previous replys to this thread stated that one should turn all of the neck to a standardized size. I disagree. If you are going to standardize a batch you have to cut to the thinest neck measurement in the batch. Obvioulsy, relative to a [U]standard chamber neck[/U] even the thickest of factory brass would chamber. Accordingly turning the the thinest neck measurement will increase the differential between the brass and the chamber neck increasing the potential for alignment issues thus impacting accuracy. I disagree with your statement relative to overworking the brass. If multiple passes with the neck turner are made at a slow rate the will be little transfer of stress. Additionally, brass has much more ductility than steel and traditionally does not "work harden" without either severe stress being applied at one time or through repeated stimuli being exerted. [I]"Sorting by neck variance .............because it is lined up with the rifling almost perfectly."[/I] BACK UP THE TRUCK ON THIS! This would only be correct if the neck was tight. What do you think happens when the bolt face isn't square or the locking lugs are not true? Where will the bullet be pointing then? [I]"The runout can be negated by putting your bullet into the lands."[/I] If your chambered round is out of alignment due to various factors I seriously don't believe you could jam the ogive portion of the bullet deep enough into the lands to correct the alignment and if you could I hope you never have to attempt to eject a loaded round because the bullet will remain stuck in the chamber and you will spill powder all over hell and back. Your turn. [/QUOTE]
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