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<blockquote data-quote="BountyHunter" data-source="post: 262888" data-attributes="member: 12"><p>Buy a Darrell Holland Case neck mike, sponsor here. One of the best at very reasonable prices. Measure your brass before you go to turning though. You might find that you do not need to do that. </p><p> </p><p>What is the diameter after firing? </p><p> </p><p>How much are your dies squeezing the neck down? if over .04/5 or so on a loaded round, that is pretty tight and too much neck tension will open groups up. Most guys are shooting for around .02-.03 on a magazine gun and .015 -.02 on a single shot.</p><p> </p><p>James Carstenson at JLC precision will convert any die to neck bushings for around $45 and two week turn around. He is listed under the tools section at <a href="http://www.6mmbr.com" target="_blank">www.6mmbr.com</a></p><p> </p><p>What is the loaded round diameter?</p><p> </p><p>How much variance are you getting around the necks and from case to case.</p><p> </p><p>Unless there is a .002 or more variance in brass neck dimension, might not want to waste the time. Shoot some groups with mixed dimension brass and see how it shoots.</p><p> </p><p>IMO neck turning cases for a real "factory" chamber to set in a way oversize neck (factory) is more often a "feel good" issue that has no real positive results. Neck turning is to center the round in the neck and give consistent neck tension, if the factory chamber is .008 over the loaded round, it just sets on the bottom and is not centered, so it might make the situation worse depending how much is taken off.</p><p> </p><p>Cases work harden (not at the same either) after 3-4 firings so there goes your neck tension unless you anneal. Only real option after that is to use machinest pin guages and sort cases by inside neck diameter to insure uniform tension. Been there and done that, and it is a pain in the butt but highly effective. I just anneal now.</p><p> </p><p>You say you have a "match" chamber, is that min SAAMI or even tight neck? You need to know. Most of the time that means min SAAMI and no neck turn.</p><p> </p><p>I prefer the K&M neck turner as it is the only one with the donut cutter carbide mandrel. Joel Pendegraf on BR central sells the neatest holder ($40) for it and that helps cuts down heat which is the enemy of neck turning and make it much easier to hold. </p><p> </p><p>$25 B&D cordless screwdriver is the best tool to hold and turn the cases. No more than 180 RPM. Sinclair sells the adapters to fit.</p><p> </p><p>Buy the Hornady comparators and learn to use them to measure seating depths and how to touch the lands. Seating depth has more to do with accuracy than a lot of the other things discussed. This should be the next step after determining the powder charge. if a mag gun, I start my load development at max COAL for the mag, and work back in .005 increments after I find the powder charge. That way, you only have one way to go. You may or may not be anywhere near the lands on a mag gun.</p><p> </p><p>Go with Forester/Redding dies if possible. </p><p> </p><p>Weighing brass- I have gone full circle. I have done it weighing to the .01 grain and now just look for the "anomoly"cases and use a 1 grain variance factor. Tell me, what variance are you weighing anyway? Is it in the neck, case head, sides or where? No one can tell. Now the purests sort cases by H2O volume which is a whole nuther issue.</p><p> </p><p>Best advice is to go slow and be sure. Sinclair sells a precision reloading video, buy it and watch it along with reading the Zydeker book before you go buying a lot of stuff and doing things that might not work. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>BH</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BountyHunter, post: 262888, member: 12"] Buy a Darrell Holland Case neck mike, sponsor here. One of the best at very reasonable prices. Measure your brass before you go to turning though. You might find that you do not need to do that. What is the diameter after firing? How much are your dies squeezing the neck down? if over .04/5 or so on a loaded round, that is pretty tight and too much neck tension will open groups up. Most guys are shooting for around .02-.03 on a magazine gun and .015 -.02 on a single shot. James Carstenson at JLC precision will convert any die to neck bushings for around $45 and two week turn around. He is listed under the tools section at [URL="http://www.6mmbr.com"]www.6mmbr.com[/URL] What is the loaded round diameter? How much variance are you getting around the necks and from case to case. Unless there is a .002 or more variance in brass neck dimension, might not want to waste the time. Shoot some groups with mixed dimension brass and see how it shoots. IMO neck turning cases for a real "factory" chamber to set in a way oversize neck (factory) is more often a "feel good" issue that has no real positive results. Neck turning is to center the round in the neck and give consistent neck tension, if the factory chamber is .008 over the loaded round, it just sets on the bottom and is not centered, so it might make the situation worse depending how much is taken off. Cases work harden (not at the same either) after 3-4 firings so there goes your neck tension unless you anneal. Only real option after that is to use machinest pin guages and sort cases by inside neck diameter to insure uniform tension. Been there and done that, and it is a pain in the butt but highly effective. I just anneal now. You say you have a "match" chamber, is that min SAAMI or even tight neck? You need to know. Most of the time that means min SAAMI and no neck turn. I prefer the K&M neck turner as it is the only one with the donut cutter carbide mandrel. Joel Pendegraf on BR central sells the neatest holder ($40) for it and that helps cuts down heat which is the enemy of neck turning and make it much easier to hold. $25 B&D cordless screwdriver is the best tool to hold and turn the cases. No more than 180 RPM. Sinclair sells the adapters to fit. Buy the Hornady comparators and learn to use them to measure seating depths and how to touch the lands. Seating depth has more to do with accuracy than a lot of the other things discussed. This should be the next step after determining the powder charge. if a mag gun, I start my load development at max COAL for the mag, and work back in .005 increments after I find the powder charge. That way, you only have one way to go. You may or may not be anywhere near the lands on a mag gun. Go with Forester/Redding dies if possible. Weighing brass- I have gone full circle. I have done it weighing to the .01 grain and now just look for the "anomoly"cases and use a 1 grain variance factor. Tell me, what variance are you weighing anyway? Is it in the neck, case head, sides or where? No one can tell. Now the purests sort cases by H2O volume which is a whole nuther issue. Best advice is to go slow and be sure. Sinclair sells a precision reloading video, buy it and watch it along with reading the Zydeker book before you go buying a lot of stuff and doing things that might not work. BH [/QUOTE]
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