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<blockquote data-quote="FAL Shot" data-source="post: 529743" data-attributes="member: 27328"><p>My $1000 BSA Lonestar, Hawke scope and FX air pump setup is not a "toy". It's you guys with the "toy"mentality that has screwed up airguns, and the manufacturers that play to that mentality.</p><p> </p><p>If people were buying lots of really good air rifles, a vietnam vet on a fixed income would have a lot of used air rifles to choose from, and some at a price point he could afford.</p><p> </p><p>A $100 springer air rifle is worth far less than that, because I can buy a Marlin rimfire for the same price that will totally blow it away in every way.</p><p> </p><p>If I were a disabled vet on a limited income that can't afford a PCP rifle, I would buy a nice used rimfire rifle and feed it subsonic ammo. A rimfire shooting subsonic ammo can be very effectively silenced for very little cost and effort and will put the department store air rifles to shame in every way.</p><p> </p><p>A rimfire firing subsonic ammo and a PCP air rifle are far closer together in the way they work than a springer air rifle is to a PCP air rifle. Springers were cheap, low performance contraptions for getting rid of yard and garden pests for people who would not buy a rimfire or PCP rifle. They somehow became the dominant air rifle. Mostly it had to do with a junk rifle selling at a junk rifle price. I have had better luck selling my junk ammo and firearms at high prices than I have had at selling good ammo and rifles at reasonable prices. Junk at a jacked up price still sells lower than something of quality at a reasonable price. That is what Bubba wants, and that is what Bubba gets. So screw Bubba and pocket the profit. He is happier if you do. Sam Walton got it right. Wal-Mart forever.</p><p> </p><p>I would give up on air rifles all together than to stoop so low as to get another springer. As long as rimfires and quiet subsonic ammo are available, there is no reason to get a springer if you intend to go hunting and not just blow away yard and garden pests at close "can't miss" range. I would even get a CO2 rifle before I got a springer, as they can do things that springers can't do. Those who stick with rimfire instead of getting a springer are doing themselves a favor. Even at close "can't miss" range the $150 Benjamin and Sheridan PCP rifles beat springers due to their variable power option allowing their use in the house attic to take out squirrels without damaging the house. Springers are NOT the thinking man's air rifle, regardless if he has a lot of money to spend or not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FAL Shot, post: 529743, member: 27328"] My $1000 BSA Lonestar, Hawke scope and FX air pump setup is not a "toy". It's you guys with the "toy"mentality that has screwed up airguns, and the manufacturers that play to that mentality. If people were buying lots of really good air rifles, a vietnam vet on a fixed income would have a lot of used air rifles to choose from, and some at a price point he could afford. A $100 springer air rifle is worth far less than that, because I can buy a Marlin rimfire for the same price that will totally blow it away in every way. If I were a disabled vet on a limited income that can't afford a PCP rifle, I would buy a nice used rimfire rifle and feed it subsonic ammo. A rimfire shooting subsonic ammo can be very effectively silenced for very little cost and effort and will put the department store air rifles to shame in every way. A rimfire firing subsonic ammo and a PCP air rifle are far closer together in the way they work than a springer air rifle is to a PCP air rifle. Springers were cheap, low performance contraptions for getting rid of yard and garden pests for people who would not buy a rimfire or PCP rifle. They somehow became the dominant air rifle. Mostly it had to do with a junk rifle selling at a junk rifle price. I have had better luck selling my junk ammo and firearms at high prices than I have had at selling good ammo and rifles at reasonable prices. Junk at a jacked up price still sells lower than something of quality at a reasonable price. That is what Bubba wants, and that is what Bubba gets. So screw Bubba and pocket the profit. He is happier if you do. Sam Walton got it right. Wal-Mart forever. I would give up on air rifles all together than to stoop so low as to get another springer. As long as rimfires and quiet subsonic ammo are available, there is no reason to get a springer if you intend to go hunting and not just blow away yard and garden pests at close "can't miss" range. I would even get a CO2 rifle before I got a springer, as they can do things that springers can't do. Those who stick with rimfire instead of getting a springer are doing themselves a favor. Even at close "can't miss" range the $150 Benjamin and Sheridan PCP rifles beat springers due to their variable power option allowing their use in the house attic to take out squirrels without damaging the house. Springers are NOT the thinking man's air rifle, regardless if he has a lot of money to spend or not. [/QUOTE]
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